Would any of you folks that have switched to 4 strokers since 05 consider going back 2 stroke if the price or circumstance was right?

What if anything would make you change back to 2 stroke?

Aaron

I'm selling my Beta 4T, as I haven't had time to ride it lately and probably won't have for the rest of the year. Would I buy another? Yes, without a doubt.

went straight on to 4t after returning to trials after several years, only ever had 2t before the break.

Would I go back to 2t? No is the answer to that, I find them far to twitchy and snappy, I love the smoothness and managability you get from 4t and they sound awesome and when in a queue the guy behind me doesn't have red raw eyes streaminig with tears, like I tend to have sometimes. (thats normally from my score not just 2 smoke).

Cant see me ever swapping back to a 2 stroke price or not, the 4's are great fun to ride

i switched back because i didn't like my 4rt. My style of riding did not suit the bike in the wet. It couldn't level hill climbs like a 2t and it could be a pig to start went hot. In the dry it was good and on rocks it was excellent but from the terrain in the south east england i believe a 2t is the better bike. However, if i lived say in Wales i'd be looking to buy another.

My 3rd season on 4-strokes, with a new and different (SY175F, SY250F, Rev-4T) bike each year. No, I would not go back to 2-stroke.

All them 4T's !

Damed things are like Black Girls, and cost too much!

You see, if most were not overpowering themselves to begin with on the 2T's, we would not be here!

Alas, we have happy people on less powerful bikes that weigh more! It is a cunnundrum?

Very Interesting, thanks guys.

Its weird, I have had the opportunity lately to play on everything except a new Sherco 4t. I even had all the bikes at my disposal at the same time along with my 270 Beta. Every time I think the 4t can out do my 270 I hop back on the 270 and have a go only to find out that I can do as good or better on the 270.

I really want to make the switch but I question my reasons.

Aaron

Cost is due to the exchange rate. Less power? All trials bikes have plenty of power for the averager rider.

My brother is married to a lovely black woman, you should watch your mouth.

2867 posts and not a single one worth reading.

This is what I was thinking also. I think a lot of people have the mentality, myself included, that theres no replacement for displacement. I bought a sweet Sherco 2.9 and spent a lot of time and a little money making it less powerful. Once I did that it was great.

My next bike is either going to be a 200cc class bike or a Rev 4.

NO sorry! They simply cost more that a 2T! Fact is they typically produce less power per volume than a 2T and weigh more, which is why you see 300 kits for the Beta, a 320 Sherco and soon a 350 Gasser and if you can find a Mont? Mitani can fix you for a price?

I'm just not into 10,000 dollar rock bashers! Sorry to hear about your brother.

Getting back on topic, you see many riders ARE overpowered to begin with, and happy mediums are somewhat few and far between.

The 250 2T's are sweet, yet nobody buys them much over here?

The Beta, Gasser, Sherco and Scorpa are all smooth and powerful 2T's in the 250 range.

Only Beta builds a full 200, while there is a 225 kit now for the Gasser 125/200, all good stuff.

I must state that the 4T Beta, first impression matched the second, great, and reminded me much of my old XR200 Honda. Smooth and tractable, has some GUTS! The Sherco is smooth too, yet much more on tap! It has GONADS! Seems the Scorpa 250 4T is sweet too, but large in frame! A good rider can flick them in no time! The Honda, well it is still the standard pig to which others are compared. Good bike! All said, currently the Sherco is the only one at expert/pro level out of the box!

The telling tale for me was after an exhausting trial on a hot 90f day. I said to my buddy, can I take a spin on the mont? Sure! After coming off a few big drops, well the weight took its final toll on me! Guess you really need to be in better shape to fling about a few more kilos! I was just ready for a beer! Cannot get that difference out of my mind! Just too much! Were talking 10-12 lbs here up top too! I suppose you get used to things, ride what you brung is my motto! If there was a perfect bike, everyone would have one!

Fwiw: Ray Peters in the USA totally smoked the national Expert class on the pre-production beta 4T. .. I own one of the 08 models myself, and while it's soft, if you can't ride it up an expert level object, it's the rider, not the bike. That being said, I'm hoping they make a 300cc standard next year, because I do think a little bit more oomph would make it more fun to ride overall.

I think that is a fair statement. The Beta is a fine bike, I do not know if the (what I understand) $1200.00 price tag on a 300 kit is worth it of not? The mellow 250 will perform!

Ray Peters has this thing that he calls a "skill cheat"! As an ex-pro, he has a LOT of skill! Fact is he could probably do the same damage on a good 125! But i see he is having a play with the 300 now as well!


Power, Torque and Quickness all vary, fact is, the total similarity between the 125's and the 4'T's just struck me! YOU MUST REV THEM FIRST for most big stuff! How big? That would be up to you!

The WTC youth are the prime example! It is all mind over matter! And if you don't mind, it don't matter! That 250 will propel you just fine!

If the $3 plastic trophy was the be all and end all of riding trials, I would probably go for Sherco 250 2t has weapon of choice, but I seem to have more fun riding four bangers, and I'm only in the game for fun.

Didnt he also do the same thing on an 80cc bike?

I think Ray may have done a demo on the 80 at some point, I know he did one on the Sherco 125 at El Trial or something years ago.

I also recall him after a trial here, taking the "then new" 125 4T Scorpa round all our local master lines here in Texas, and finding cleans! Poor little bike got a thrashing though, it was up to it!

You see, when you put things on a WORLD level, it is a different tale. It IS all relative to us normal folk, just a class or two over our heads. But just as an example, I seem to recall both Alexz Wigg and Smage doing world class sections in Jounior and TDN respectively on the 125's! It absouletely becomes hard to imaging just how difficult this stuff really is! Where they would be begging for a 250! 4T or not! I think it a big relief for those kids to be able to get off the little bikes! Yet the skills they learned while having to make due, are invaluable!

What does any of this have to do with anything? I think the 4T's are fun and great to ride! They can be more powerful if needed, yet seldomely, and god help you at overhaul time, as you will shed some Squid things when that time comes, not to mention the maintenance inbetween. For those that flip bikes every year it is not an issue. Though I do understand that many in the MX and Enduro are getting away from them due to high costs of maintenance. Actually I just helped a buddy with a head job on a CRF 250 Honda, got lucky, just needed valves and a cam! OUCH! I could keep an average 2T trials running for just about 5 years on that repair cost! And I am not as cheap as some! Like Zipper!

Copie you are cheap ! time to unclinch the cheeks. Yes Ray did ride one national on a Beta 80. He ended up 4th in the expert class that day, he wasn't ust to the 80 and flipped the rear end over the tape in a couple of sections.
The 4-stroke does carry a $$ penalty if you don't take care off them and a rebuild will cost more, no way around it there is simply more parts.
Cope if you come to the Duluth nats i'll let you have a go on my 4-stroke.

I'm too cheap to drive to Owasso and you think I'm going to Duluth? You gotta be kidding! Might be a bit cooler than the 100f+ every day here though!

Remember that thing called a daughter that I had to buy the new laptop for? The one that I am still paying for the recent heart surgury! The one that is costing me an incredable amount in tuition! Well I have to move IT down to Florida in a couple of weeks to cram IT in a dorm room that also costs a lot of money! Go figure, two strokes are all I can afford!

The only bike better than a good 4 stroke is a good 2 stroke. You have permission to quote me.

Got 2 REV 4s coming. Still not sure I will like them better than the 270's but I have head said "change is good". Guess we will see.

I guess I am just a 4T kind of guy. I rode a Honda RTL250 for 7 years then switched to a TYZ250 then a Scorpa SY250. As soon as I got on my current 4RT I felt like I had come back home. I rode an 07 GG250 in a trial recently. I can see why people like them. They are light, powerful and want to leap up things. But I was glad to get back on my 4RT. It has all the power I need, feels more stable, hooks up wonderfully in iffy traction situations and has a very plush suspension. It reacts slower than some other bikes and maybe it is just that my reactions are slowing to match. I won't be switching back any time soon.

I've just spent 2 1/2 years on 4rt's & have gone back to a 250 Gas Gas. I've found the Mont much less forgiving to ride & become tired of it 'pushing' me up sections quicker than I want to go. When I got the line, power etc spot on it was awesome up sections but make the slightest mistake or lean forward & 5 was on the cards, as once stuck it's one big lump to push. Mechanically I've found the Mont to be fairly hardy but when you add in the cost of a bash plate, footrests & hangers, back brake pedal, throttle body & a fat exhaust, all of which I would consider neccessary, it all adds up to a pricey bike. I've had a lot of fun on the Mont, across moors & tracks it's a mad thing to ride but I'm convinced it's not the bike for me in the sections. Now if I enter & I'm lucky enough to get another spin round the SSDT I may rue the day I went back to the more fragile 2 stroke Gasser but I'm certain I'll enjoy riding the sections more on it.

Every time i ride a 4T i crack that throttle durring the exhaust up stroke.... my body says go but the bike says huh? This is the only instance in my life where my brain can speed past what the bike can do. Usually the bike leaves with out me.... hahaha I guess I could get used to that but i am cheap and don't feel a need for change. If it happens I will wait for the gasser 4T. I did find the beta 4t to be a great bike however. Enjoy the new Steed Aaron! One for you and one for the Bro?

--Biff

That would be the plan, at least for now.

Now my Vintage weapon and modern ride will all be of the 4 stroke denomination.

I've gone through a few bikes in the last year-260cc 4rt, Sherco 3.2 4t, 04 Sherco 2.9, 08 Scorpa 250 2t & now 08 Sherco 2.9. Through all those bikes, both 4t & 2t the one thing that has stayed constant is my results. I can truly say the bike makes no diffrance. My favorite to ride though is the 3.2 4t because of the awesome torque and my second favorite is the Scorpa 2t because of the incredibly smooth motor and awesome turning. I will say I find it easier to go from a 2t to a 4t than a 4t to a 2t. When I ride a 2t again it feels like it's running away when I let off the throttle. I think what i really want to try next is a 125 Sherco with the 200 kit, that sounds like fun

Chris, that Scorpa will give you that feeling for sure!

Find you a nice 2.5 Sherco! Like Ishy said.

You may want to try the Gasgas 125 Pro Racing with the 225cc kit; it is amazing.

Spencer

Thanks Goat a 225 sounds like fun, but can't/won't ride a Gas Gas.

Cope, a 2.5 is a great bike. I actually like them better than a 2.9


Back on topic- I have one "friend" that had a 4rt and could never get used to it and never felt comfortable no matter how hard he tried, in fact he went back to riding his old beat 315r because he felt more at home on it. He now has a Scopa SY 250 that he has liked from the get go.

On the other hand another friend has a 4rt that he liked, but got a new Scopra SY 250 because it was time for a new bike. It's now taking him a while to adjust to it. I think he will eventually due well on it, it will just take some time.