I get wound up when people make rash statements about events they weren't at so I am going to do the same. Over the past few weeks we have had all and sundry playing hell about hard events but sureley the Portugese event has shown that it is a bigger farce when things are too easy. Jack Challoner 7 points, 8th place sorry its just not on. I will wait to be shot down in flames

Its an even bigger farce when Micheal Brown has 30 fives!

So Portugual was closer to being right than the Spanish round.

I too await the flames.

I guess neither was right. Who would be a clerk of the course or organising club?? Majority of which is done by volounteers.
Where was the FIMs technical representative on this.
Maybe time to stop the officials and stewards expenses and put more money into technical help and advice!!!!!!!!

That in itself opens a whole can of worms.

The FIM have no technical representatives. They have guys who go out and homologate venues, but very often those guys are not qualified to decide and venues should not have been homologated for various reasons.

Other than that they are not very good (to say the least) at making decisions, and even less good at sticking by any decisions they do tentatively make. That only serves to make them look weak.

You then have the various ways different countries do things. Each is different. Some do their very best, but are still learning - Poland/Czech, some are flexible in change - Spain/Andorra, some get emotional, but eventually adapt - Italy, some are downright rude and just do things their own way regardless - France/Japan.

I'm not sure where that leaves the UK. Ask me after June

The overriding consideration seeming to be good parking for the factory trucks rather than natural terrain for world class sections!

Did I not read somewhere on TC that Diego Bosis was overseeing the sections as a Rep for the FIM. Surely he has the experience to advise when sections are out of touch for anybody but the top 2.

Oh, and please hold the "flames"........

Section design is an art in itself! The fine line between making things challenging, or too dangerous for the top riders, has become too fine! The rest are left to frey.

Look at Bou on the indoor, my gosh!

Put them outdoors and you gotta work with nature. I can see why these things can swing so wildly, yet points are still taken from most.

Still, having some easier than others is important, not sure this was well reflected in recent events. It IS beyond me! And I have studied this for years now.

If it was too easy why didn't Bou or Sheppard Win

If it was too easy he would have gone clean???? 7 is a good days riding, gordon jackson won the scottish six days on 1.

Quote off Dougie Lampkin report............

''We all know that the trial has been on the easy side again, despite the organisers trying to make it harder, but it is still here to be ridden''

which is what Fuji did?

Too easy, often used by riders when getting beat, or I fived a section and there no chance of pulling it back.

I think it only needs three or four sections to be tougher than this event and it will be about the right severity, a good rain the night before what would the scores for the majority looked like then ?

If more world rounds were set at a similar level to Portugal then they might start to get a decent entry on the main route. If you make it hard enough for the top Spanish riders its too hard for the majority of other riders.

I wonder what Fuji thinks of the section severity this weekend, I can't find any complaints

Could it be sense at last ????????

We keep hearing the the WC is crap etc. Complaints about reducing the section time to 1 minute, travelling all that way to ride 30 sections at a maximum of 1 minute each making a total of 30 minutes riding for the day, but you are saying that it is ok to have trial so easy that all tie deciders are used up to the piont where the decision goes to the person who got his day over the quickest. Thats not what trialing is about in my book

Maybe Michael is missing Shaughan ?

Damned if you do and damned if you don't! Trials by it's nature will never satisfy everyone.
We always provide three routes at our club trials but I still get comments like "The C route is too eay but the B route is too hard!"
Organisers can only try to do their best and hopefully learn from their mistakes.

Pete

No one rides the wtc ???

I would be well into the top 20 on a c50 because less than 20 ride ??????? ace world champs that, Leave it alone, make it harder , make it easy.

It is just a showcase for the trick riders, not real trials at all.

Perhaps you need to attend more wtc events.
its a great spectacle, the skill of the riders is amazing and they are real trial riders. Dougie a trick rider? No way!!!

(ps it should be too not to in your signature surely?)

I am with Mick on this one.

Trials that are decided on luck with the human element of observing, who is best at pushing in the ques and riding fast between sections are not the way to go. It also short changes the spectater because instead of the riders you are interested in being in action for 5 hrs some were finished in less than 3. It really messes things up if you are trying tofollow a group of riders. If you want to kill the WTC this is the way to go

A solution could be to have 5 easy sections so the riders trying to break in to the wtc can at least have some encouragement to turnup again,5 medium and 5 bloody horrendous to give the top boys a chance to showcase their talents and clawback that wild 5 they had whilst hanging on for a clean.

Clean after clean section after section is not exciting or interesting for TV or if you are there. Like with most things,extremes are not good the middle ground is usually the best compromise. A winner in the 20 odd mark lost area usually produces a good trial.

A fatal mistake in Portugal was that the organisers would not take any notice of the riders who warned them of a fiasco on Friday then made very poor modifications for the second day(bigger steps with longer run ups which tend to cancel each other out) when the riders were proved right.

Please future organisers listen to the riders if enough of them voice concerns.

This is what is supposed to be done. The FIM simply failed to do their job. First they make it too hard then too easy. You would think that this was their first time putting on a Trial.

As for ties being broken by the fastest finisher, imagine a tie at the Brittish Open of Golf being decided by who walked the course fastest!

There is a great opportunity here for a dramatic sudden death play off. Great for TV and spectators.

Nice analogy. I like that one

Cant Ride a bike or splel .

You are right about douggie, Thats why he isnt winning.

Never said it wasnt a great spectacle, ONCE . Even better when it was free to watch.

IMHO>My Own ,Its now a merry go round for the men in suits.

Got my copy of the third Twinshock books a few weeks ago and there is a picture of the then WORLD champion Ulf Karlson taking his works bike off the back rack on his mercedes car, that was real trials , massive entrys, massive crowds, really enjoyable trials won on a hand full of marks.

Lose 7 lose the trial ,same for everyone.

There allready are ways of deciding a tie, it would benifit the guys on smaller bikes even capacity comes into play..

But we all try and either defend or put down the champs, but the fact is they are allready broken...makes no difference what i think, or any of the know-it-all keyboard jockys, its the riders that should get a say ALL THE RIDERS NOT JUST THE TOP ELITE, They have done the damage allready.