Thanks for all the answers. I would love a reiger but there be no funds for that unless I find a used one then maybe. As for what I have now, I measured from the rear axle to the exhaust tip. The bike only sag is 19mm so that is spot on. Once I get on it, from the bike on ground measurement to having me on it it sags 86mm more. My 155lb friend was in the vicinity of 60mm. Just for grins I did a check, if I hop on the bike to compress the rear shock the shock will bottom out. That cant be normal, I keep thinking I need to go to 1 step up on spring stiffness. Do you guys agree? Aside from the spring rate, the shock might just need a rebuild.