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Yes, Showa. My sons 2015 Repsol. I've got a 2011 and never had any problems

Just putting SKF seals in tonight and noticed the Teflon coating on both guide bushes is peeling off. Must be a fault on the 2015 model?

Due to the sterling efforts of Mark Timperley clearing the lane with his snow plough and RT re-doing the sections, we will now run our Christmas Trial on Sunday 28th December. Due to limited notice we will run 3 laps of 10 sections. Observer gratuity will be £20 per head. Barlow Lees Lane and Cowley Lane have been cleared from Holmesfield (near the Rutland Arms). Gosforth Lane up to Dronfield Hill top is passable with care, but local numpty drivers are making it a painful process. Hopefully MT will have cleared it by this evening if the locals get out of the way long enough for him to get it cleared. Cheers

28 entries that could have been 26 if my lad and his mate had decided to do this instead of the Hipwell Trial, which is on our doorstep.

The promoting clubs websites have a list. You are Nr 116 and start at 9:58

Thank you Munch.

As the title says, does any one know who will be doing the Montesa service at this years SSDT? Craigs did it last year but are they doing it this year?

Bollocks...saw him riding in the Youth Euros 3 years ago in Tanvald, Czech Republic on a gas gas. Lad is good though

Due to a combination of circumstances which have conspired against us the Peak Trial scheduled for 6th October 2013 and the final round of the Luscombe Suzuki Leeds Sidecar Championship has been cancelled. The limited number entries so far received will be refunded in full.

Here's another one for you lot to ponder: 17 year old passes test (pre 19 Jan 2013) and gets an A2 Licence which restricts said rider for 2 years to machines =<25kW (33bhp) AND power/weight ratio not exceeding 0.16kW/kg. This may be OK for a road bike, but for a trials bike its impossible and might be the end of road trials for said 17 year old 'cos insurers want proof of bhp and power/weight ratio of trials bike. No manufacturer publishes such information and if they did it would probably exceed power/weight ratio 'cos they are so bloody light. Typically a modern trials machine weight is 66-70 kg, so to keep below the 0.16kW/kg power/weight ratio, the power of any trials machine to be ridden by a 17 year old after passing his/her test must not exceed 10.5kw (14bhp)....

Its one of the excluded events....bloody good job too, as is the RAC Rally, the Edinburgh Trial, the Exeter Trial and others as listed on Schedule 4 of the Regulations.

No one is going to go to prison...apparently the fine for running "an illegal event" is £50....

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...Now the police are sticking their nose in. All my sympathies Scorpa 3, but you do not need MSA approval if you can run an event under the exclusion guidlines. That has been the whole purpose of my contribution to this debate. We (including the ACU) have to modify the way we run events so that they can fit within the exclusion guidelines. This will inevitably mean compromising on things we used to do (time limits, riders setting off in a pre-determined order and riding sections in a pre-determined order). But it can be done....

More e-mails have landed today whilst I've been at work. Apparently this was all debated at length back in '69 and the ACU back then supported the proposition that "it doesn't apply to road trials because there is no competition "on" the public highway" Doesn't help you now Scorpa3 but I would be tempted to tell the MSA to whistle for any more info and say the event doesn't actually need their authorisation.

All perfectly valid points and I am sure that provided you do not have a compulsory route with checkpints but provide a "suggested" route (which is what actually hapens now) and that sections will close at a certain time then it could be made to work. As far as riders getting lost, in my experience this happens now anyway. Tie breaks can be decided on a special test (e.g timed 20 yard dead engine push). You can get round the "not having to attempt all the sections" quite easily; either make one or two impossible or site them so far away from the suggested route that no-one will bother to visit them. Obviously riders will not be timed and can start where and when they want...but if you suggest in the regs that there are car parking and refreshment facilities at the finish and a suggestion that it might be a convenient place to start (without precluding any one from starting elsewhere) then I am sure most will assemble at the finish and make it their starting point; the "suggested" route can be marked from there.

Our club has had the same letter...lets hope common sense prevails. In the mean time I am convinced that it is perfectly legal to run a trial using the Queens highway provided: a) you do not have performance tests on the highway, a ) no time limit, c) no fixed route, d) no mandatory starting point...I've just been looking at the champ regs and sidecars and S3's must have riders grouped and start in order. If these regs are removed then champ trials could be run on looser regs without the need for MSA approval.....

I have heard from a reliable ACU source that the ACU have no stomach for a fight with the MSA over this; in any event we don't need to, we just need to run a trial within one of the exemption categories. It just needs a slightly different approach to what we used to do.

I'm not sure it is but that is the inevitable consequence of sticking rigidly to one persons interpretation of the rules. I applaud any club who tries to do what the MSA are imposing on us, but I don't agree that it is strictly necessary. I think with a little bit of lateral thinking we can still run a "road trial" without MSA authorisation

Its been the law since 1969...its just some jobsworth at the MSA throwing his weight around. These rules were aimed at car rallies and long distance trials that use public highways (green lanes) as stages/sections. Trials do not use the public highway as part of the competition; the competitive element of a trial is held off the public highway; the public highway is merely used to transit between the competitive elements off road. Just saying...

As I spend most of my working life interpreting and applying contract law, I am pretty sure that when the ACU advise on their website (quote) "If I Organise a Trials Event with no Fixed Starting point and there is No Fixed Route, do I need to get MSA Authorisation? In a word – no. If for example you were organising a Trials event with a Course that included some use of the public highway and consisted of say – twelve groups of four sub-sections each of which riders had to attempt 36 (therefore not having to visit them all) and the riders were able to sign on at the Group of their choice – and there was no designated route for them to follow, there would be no requirement for this type of event to apply for MSA Authorisation." which clearly falls into category Type B - An event on which no merit is attached to completing the event with the lowest mileage, and in which as respects such part of the event is held on the Public Highway, there are no performance tests and no route, and competitors are not timed or required to visit the same places, except that they may be required to finish at the same place by a specified time. then there appears to be some room for manouvre by organising the event in such a way that fits this category. The main criteria seem to be no time limit (although you may have a fixed finishing time), no prescribed route and no need for competitors to attempt every section (hence the need to throw in a killer section or two) and a finally (and less practicable) a facility to allow competitors to start at the place of their choice. As I said we are still working on this and would be interested to see how other clubs "get round the MSA authorisation"

We've been pondering this dilema too; and are trying to conjur up something that fits in with this advice taken from the ACU website. "If I Organise a Trials Event with no Fixed Starting point and there is No Fixed Route, do I need to get MSA Authorisation? In a word – no. If for example you were organising a Trials event with a Course that included some use of the public highway and consisted of say – twelve groups of four sub-sections each of which riders had to attempt 36 (therefore not having to visit them all) and the riders were able to sign on at the Group of their choice – and there was no designated route for them to follow, there would be no requirement for this type of event to apply for MSA Authorisation." We will have a Car Park at the start and invite riders to sign-on at a group of their choice "but whilst you are here you might as well sign on now". We will provide an "advisory" route which will be clearly marked. There will be 44 sections, 4 of which not even Mr Bou would attempt. No time limit but sections will close at a given time.

Due to the current adverse weather (Friday evening) and the predictions for more snow Saturday and Sunday in the Bradwell area, we have taken the decision to cancel the trial due to run this Sunday (20th January) at Moss Rake. Due to a very congested East Midland Centre calendar, it is unlikely we will be able to re-schedule this event at all this year. Sorry folks Regards, Andy Atkinson

Trial starts at 10:30 at DUDWOOD FARM, Elton and is run under no-stop rules. Three routes easy clubman and hard(ish). This is a club trial and as there are no likely entries from WTC or BTC the sections will be sensible with no massive steps and no need hop round to ride up yer own a***...

The S&H trial on 2nd December will now take place at Dudwood Farm NOT Burrycliffe Quarry. Please pass the word around. We hope to get the info into the press before the day too. Ta very much.