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[boofont]

Just wondering what everyone's views are on the two different systems that operate in the UK? For those that don't know, ACU riders pay £10 to register to the ACU and then pay a levy per trial which is normally incorporated in to the entry fee. Scottish ACU (SACU) riders pay £42 (I believe?) for a licence which covers the cost of the levy for all events they ride. Any rider can ride any event but an ACU rider should pay a levy at an SACU event which I believe is £1.20?

Pro's: With the ACU system you pay for what you ride; SACU, if you ride a lot it works out cheaper.

Con's: ACU, could cost more in the long run; SACU works out far more expensive for most.


Just a few thoughts and questions from myself.

SACU rider turns up at an ACU event, does he pay less for his entry as he has paid his 'levy' upfront? I don't think so.

Why are the events in Scotland no cheaper and in some cases more expensive than the one's in England? If the 'levy' is paid for up front then should the events not be cheaper?

Why doesn't the SACU adopt the same system as the ACU, or vice versa?

Why doesn't the SACU become a centre of the ACU and stop this question and many more popping up this time every year?

Why not give the riders the choice?

Throw it to the floor, what's everyone think?

Edit after Rabie's reply: Day licences are available at SACU events, £10 (I think?)

Edited by boofont, 20 October 2006 - 02:56 PM.

[rabie]

two issues really there

1) if we (ACU) you went to licences we'ld get more money in upfront but over the course of the year you might loose. without specific data telling us how many times a year each trials rider rides we don't know if we've got the majority ridding 50 times a year or many one of trials riders who would have to pay significantly more

thus if you went down this road you'ld have to offer day licences as people doing a one off ride won't want to pay £40 upfront

then you have to think is this an issue that will really p*** someone off so much they'll say **** it and decided to leave the ACU and go AMCA (or ORPA) - disunity in the sport is worse that trying to make the system simpler by upsetting someone

2) Scotland as an ACU centre

it would be simpler on many levels but i imagine there is some politics involved, the SACU IMHO seams to have much devolution and this could potentially be at stake if they changed their status. although for you lot as riders your events wouldn't be Scottish nationals just centre events which from my far off perspective seam cheaper to run, but that could be just how you chose to structure you finances in Scotland (we have vast differences between centres)

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boofont, on Oct 20 2006, 12:11 PM, said:

Edit after Rabie's reply: Day licences are available at SACU events, £10 (I think?)

£20, to encourage? riders to take out full licence.
BTW, you ain't paid any £1.20s yet...................but now you've mentioned it.............bring your purse on Sunday.

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Why are the events in Scotland no cheaper and in some cases more expensive than the one's in England? If the 'levy' is paid for up front then should the events not be cheaper?

Examples please. D

[boofont]

You never asked for it but I've always been prepared to pay, I guess it's a bit like getting too much change back in a shop; you take the change but will give it back if the cashier notices.

Rode a few trials in England they where either £6 or £8, can't really remember. IDMCC are £8, BAMCC are £10. The Jersey Two Day was £25 in 04; an SACU National is £12 so not far off there. Can't speak for others, any ACU riders want to say how much there trials are?

I would like to add that I'm not rocking the boat in any direction with this one but I would like to hear what everyone's view is. I can see pro's and con's for both but what is not ideal is that there is two different systems for effectively one governing body, at least with respect to the rules etc. I would say that the majority of riders in Scotland with SACU licences are not getting as much value for money as those in England.

For example: £42 buys one ACU registration and 26 levy's@£1.20 with 80p left over. That's 26 trials a year, i.e one every two weeks! How many of us are riding a trial every two weeks?

[rabie]

we've just set our 2007 prices for trials,

centre - £17
combine - £15

with various levys increasing its got to go up, plus how are you going to buy land if its that cheap ???

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rabie, on Oct 21 2006, 06:42 PM, said:

we've just set our 2007 prices for trials,

centre - £17
combine - £15

with various levys increasing its got to go up, plus how are you going to buy land if its that cheap ???

£17 and £15
£12 including food and £8...............................over to you boof...........do the arithmetic now. D.

[boofont]

Thats one club, more please... What's 'combine' anyway? Is that a standard closed to club trial?

IDMCC, where did I leave that humble pie?

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boofont, on Oct 21 2006, 09:04 PM, said:

IDMCC, where did I leave that humble pie?

Swings and roundabouts...........see you in the morning. D

[Paioli]

r2tightarse trials may be a better handle!!!

[scorpa3]

Club/Cntre trials £12. Put up to that so that we could offer riders who supply an observer a free entry.

Nationals £15.

[boofont]

Interesting, going to post on UK trials talk to ask how much everyone pays. Might get more folk reading that one.

[rabie]

because our centre is so large and has so many trials clubs the centre is divided up, roughly geographically into 5 combines. on the 2nd Sunday of each month is "combine Sunday", and clubs in each combine take it in turn to run a trial. its pitched as being between centre and club trials. this way we can have more trials without getting people upset about clashing. only issue is number of clubs in combines, some only have a few (TVTC has only 4 or 5 IIRC) while others have many (eg NKTC have 8 - did have more). one combine got p****d off over helmets (and other things) and went AMCA.

if i understand it correctly the Yorkshire centre and eastern centre have a similar idea but only 2 combines in each

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from the other thread

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Sidcup & DMCC - South Eastern Centre ACU

club trial - nominal £5
wobbler trial - round £10
combine for 2007 - £15
centre trial for 2007 - £17

add a quid or two for sidecars

we're VAT registered so we loose 17.5% to the VAT man on all entries (except club members entries)

i should say that for 2006 we're paying £13 for a combine trial and £15 for a centre trial, but its gone up £2 due to various increases and in light of the recent land announcement down here there is a desire to rebuild the centre and clubs coughers incase another bit of land comes along

Edited by rabie, 23 October 2006 - 06:12 PM.