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[trialsnutterman]

It been bad enough having to ride the British Champs under these rubbish rules but now all trials are going to sufferer the same fate!

I guess we will see a total demise of the number of riders just like in the British Champs which at the moment isn't even worth the organisers running the entrys are that low.

Maybe the only hope is if all the clubs go back to the full no stop rules, that's if there allowed?

[mattp]

True non stop is the only answer to take the pressure off observers and sections must be laid out with this in mind.I am 100% sure that this would also bring trials entries back.

Edited by mattp, 14 October 2008 - 11:01 AM.

[scorpa3]

trialsnutterman, on Oct 14 2008, 10:24 AM, said:

It been bad enough having to ride the British Champs under these rubbish rules but now all trials are going to sufferer the same fate!

I guess we will see a total demise of the number of riders just like in the British Champs which at the moment isn't even worth the organisers running the entrys are that low.

Maybe the only hope is if all the clubs go back to the full no stop rules, that's if there allowed?

Not quite sure what you a mean, just what has the ACU done to ruin all trials?

[Andy]

scorpa3, on Oct 14 2008, 12:31 PM, said:

Not quite sure what you a mean, just what has the ACU done to ruin all trials?

Yes. It might have been a good idea if the topic starter had explained what on earth they were on about prior to ranting! Not everybody reads the front page

[mickwren]

I know I should present a reasoned,logical argument for the introduction of these rules but all I can say is that all the Trials and Enduro Committe has done is make legal what is already happening. With my personal head on all I can say is that anyone who believes that full no stop is the greatest thing since hovis went sliced is talking out of their a***. I was introduced to trials during the 70's when we didn't have instant results and to find out the number of 5's you had been given for a momentary stop when the results arrived through the door used to drive me demented, I can't imagine the arguments that would ensue when riders are being given these 5's on the spot. Of course what these people really want is trials of the same severity to the ones in the 70's, if the world had known that then the manufacturers could have saved themselves 35 years work making bikes that actually work. Instead of jumping straight in and whinging I wish people would just look at what has actually happened

[scorpa3]

At least this means that there will only now be two sets of rules instead of three!

And afterall lets be honest, how often do you see an observer give a 'one' for stopping, or a 'two' for a stationary dab, never mind a 'five' for a stationary bounce?

[trialsnutterman]

I do admit that a hell of a lot of the observers these days don't mark you for a stop but most of the riders don't know a 100% for sure so they try to keep there stops to a minimum, now they've been told they can stop for as long as they want that's what they'll do and they'll take forever to get through the sections.

I wasn't even born in the 70's so I'm not quite sure where your coming from there, I'd personally like to remain with the old stop for a one rule but with it observed correctly, the main reason it's no longer observed correctly in my opinion is that the sections are often laid out to tight and I don't personally think that tight turns are needed to make trials hard enough.

Now if I had to choose between full no stop and this new rule, I'd choose Full No Stop every time.

[agiow]

[indent]“ The T&E Committee have considered the current situation in modern trials and, having received many views, have decided to make the following amendments to TSR 22A to reflect what is actually happening in practice and to ease the burden on Observers.
Amendments to the Trial Standing Regulations will be as follows, which should be read in conjunction with the current TSR22A as printed in the 2008 ACU Handbook”


If you read the extract from the T & C committee release it only mentions amending TSR 22A
What is stopping you running club & Centre trials under TSR22B “ No Stop “
I thought any modern solo BC whether Adult or Youth was going to the amended TSR 22A and centre or club events you had the choice of TSR 22A or TSR22B.
Somebody asked the question what do the youth riders think , what do they want ?
I haven’t heard many comments from them , as for my son who is a youth ‘B’ he’s in favour of the change.

[andat]

The one thing our sport needs above all else is a consistant set of rules from grass roots to World Champ level. At least we now have that for those clubs who want to run their trials 'the modern way'. For those clubs who run 'no-stop' I am sure they will continue as they are. As a rider, the biggest probelm is knowing what rules I am being marked against and if you ask an observer chances are they don't know either. So all organises please, please, please post details in your event adverts what rules you are using!!!!!

[max1956bikes]

no stopping for quick stop,i observe sometimes this will make marking a lot easier,a lot of riders have a stop for a second so i have allways let them get away with it,the only way to make trials no stop is to take the clutch lever of bikes as they enter section,then we could limit each bike to a qaurter of throttle,then make all riders use old tyres with max 2mm tread,then all bikes to be 50 years old with no mods.that will stop people coming to trials.well done acu in at last doing the right thing.when i used to ride reguarly 10 years ago we had good entries with 2009 rules.with preasant rules entries gone done, if we get 30 riders at moment we think it a good entry.

[agiow]

" please post details in your event adverts what rules you are using "

On the reg's or entry form it should say whether the trial is being observed
under TSR22A or TSR22B so everbody know's

[Andy]

andat, on Oct 14 2008, 01:21 PM, said:

So all organises please, please, please post details in your event adverts what rules you are using!!!!!

I have added an additional "ACU Rules Applied" field to the TC Events Calendar so users of that can now specify which rules are being applied when they post an event.

[pandelboy]

might be a good idea if what rules are being implemented on the day posted where you sign on as well as a reminder.

[andat]

Andy, on Oct 14 2008, 02:01 PM, said:

I have added an additional "ACU Rules Applied" field to the TC Events Calendar so users of that can now specify which rules are being applied when they post an event.

Good man.

[gasgas4life]

scorpa3, on Oct 14 2008, 01:00 PM, said:

At least this means that there will only now be two sets of rules instead of three!

And afterall lets be honest, how often do you see an observer give a 'one' for stopping, or a 'two' for a stationary dab, never mind a 'five' for a stationary bounce?

I know one! And hes a right idiot especially when he gives you a '5' for only 4 hops to the side
In my opinion i would like a rule when stopping is allowed, but obviously within reason otherwise people will over do it.