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[laser1]

My guess is that they have somthing special planned.

[tricky dicky]

I have heard from a very very reliable source that there will be no stock whatsoever of the new racing bikes and they are special order only. I have also been told that the Raga will be fancy as normal but not a new design

[beatabeta]

tricky dicky, on Feb 15 2010, 03:30 PM, said:

I have heard from a very very reliable source that there will be no stock whatsoever of the new racing bikes and they are special order only. I have also been told that the Raga will be fancy as normal but not a new design

I personally cant see that being the case (It may well be the case but it's a real cr@ppy idea) thats not good then for the consumer.......
"Sorry Mr customer you'll have to wait for your 'racing' if you want one"?? You can then almost hear the "oh sorry they aren't making anymore" call 5 weeks after you place your order.
I cant see the point of releasing something then not making it available, especially a couple of months before you yearly special edition - Raga Rep - is launched.

The Raga rep is always built then sold so will be in stock when you want it.

[tricky dicky]

I know for a fact that GGUK are having no stock of these bikes and they are pre-order only. Bear in mind that it only takes a few days to get a bike shipped over from Spain. Try ordering one and you will find out its correct info. I am a bit baffled why they have even brought it out and then the Raga will be available in May. They obviously want to ruin the second hand market. I was told that Shirty wasn't even going to bring any racing models in a few months ago but obviously somebody at GG has said he has got to.

[Rockaria]

tricky dicky, on Feb 16 2010, 07:42 PM, said:

I know for a fact that GGUK are having no stock of these bikes and they are pre-order only. Bear in mind that it only takes a few days to get a bike shipped over from Spain. Try ordering one and you will find out its correct info. I am a bit baffled why they have even brought it out and then the Raga will be available in May. They obviously want to ruin the second hand market. I was told that Shirty wasn't even going to bring any racing models in a few months ago but obviously somebody at GG has said he has got to.

How about this then...
Decided to order one Monday, some stock has arrived in Buxton today (Tuesday), may get pdi Wednesday, could even be riding it Sunday!!!
Don't know anything about the Ragas though.

[Telecat]

I thought £5000 was a lot to pay for a bike until I talked to Woosters and Paul at Acklams. The Price of TY250's was over that when the last were sold back in the 90's!!! Bikes were as expensive back then but people paid it. We have been spoilt by low prices due to a relatively strong £ against the Euro so stop Whinging!!!

[Baldilocks]

Telecat, on Feb 17 2010, 11:18 AM, said:

I thought £5000 was a lot to pay for a bike until I talked to Woosters and Paul at Acklams. The Price of TY250's was over that when the last were sold back in the 90's!!! Bikes were as expensive back then but people paid it. We have been spoilt by low prices due to a relatively strong £ against the Euro so stop Whinging!!!

The TYZ was over £5k and in early 97 it was £4400 or thereabouts for a Beta, Mont or Gas Gas

Then people started to realise you could grey import bikes form Spain for a fraction of the dealer price. I wouldnt want to comment on the VAT side of things but a guy turned up at my local trial in July 97 with a new 97 model gas gas he brought in himself from Spain, He paid £2200 for it.

Now i dont know what had happened currency wise at that time but by the end of the summer new bikes had dropped £1k and were circa £3500 and stayed that way until the last year or so.

Yes new bikes have been this expensive before but people started to look at alternatives and ultimately the economics of the situation were that a bike wouldnt sell at £4400 so the price had to drop. Montesa have recently found the same if reports of 900 bikes unsold are accurate.

Nobody can stop a company making a bike and naming a price but if people think its too dear then they wont pay for it.

In difficult economic times and with prices going up for bikes new bike sales must be affected.

[Telecat]

Baldilocks, on Feb 17 2010, 07:56 PM, said:

The TYZ was over £5k and in early 97 it was £4400 or thereabouts for a Beta, Mont or Gas Gas

Then people started to realise you could grey import bikes form Spain for a fraction of the dealer price. I wouldnt want to comment on the VAT side of things but a guy turned up at my local trial in July 97 with a new 97 model gas gas he brought in himself from Spain, He paid £2200 for it.

Now i dont know what had happened currency wise at that time but by the end of the summer new bikes had dropped £1k and were circa £3500 and stayed that way until the last year or so.

Yes new bikes have been this expensive before but people started to look at alternatives and ultimately the economics of the situation were that a bike wouldnt sell at £4400 so the price had to drop. Montesa have recently found the same if reports of 900 bikes unsold are accurate.

Nobody can stop a company making a bike and naming a price but if people think its too dear then they wont pay for it.

In difficult economic times and with prices going up for bikes new bike sales must be affected.

And I know people who did that back when 250 gasser's were £2700-£3000 they could get them from Spain for £2000. But they don't do it today because the price is too close to make it worthwhile. I've no doubt that the Euro makers were making a bundle which is why the Japs pulled out when the price collapsed. They couldn't compete because of the overheads. I've always said Trials bikers are skinflints and I don't see any evidence of that changing. I mean ask them to stump up a fiver for club membership?? You'd think you'd asked many to cut off their right arm

Edited by Telecat, 17 February 2010 - 11:24 PM.

[Dan Williams]

Don't worry, soon all will be made in China and we can get them at WalMart or your local equivalent. Any brand.

Really all this angst. Two of my mates just received new GG racing models. One won't take it out of the house yet because it's winter but the other took it out last weekend and a mate with an 08 Raga who got to ride the new bike placed an order that night. Another with a Sherco said he would if he could afford it.

I'm not a GasGas rider as anybody from the Beta forum can attest, just can't seem to get along with them, but I've seen the newer bikes take some awful beatings and survive quite well.

I wouldn't accuse GasGas of being stupid. The best way to seize market share is to attack while the market is weak. This bike is clearly an aggressive stab at market share from the mid-level buyer. I would expect after the Raga comes out for the top end any leftover parts will end up in another economy model. Not every sale needs to be at the start of the season.

GasGas is showing a keen understanding of market dynamics.

[Rockaria]

Its in the shed baby