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#1 twinshocked

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 04:35 PM

Does anyone know how many were built ? Were they all 175 cc ?


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:49 PM

I will find out.No they were 200cc.The basic engine was the Sachs 175 six speed GS(ISDT)engine outbored to 200ccm with a hevier Flywheel and some more weight on the clutch side.When you orderd the bike you had the option with a Bing or Mikuni Carb.I will find ount how much Invaders where made in the next day's.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 01:17 AM

We had two in our club. Our first lady rider(that could ride) her number plate had a boy named Sue. If you look real hard it can be found in the book observed trials just for fun by Carl Shipman.

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 08:14 PM

I will find out.No they were 200cc.The basic engine was the Sachs 175 six speed GS(ISDT)engine outbored to 200ccm with a hevier Flywheel and some more weight on the clutch side.When you orderd the bike you had the option with a Bing or Mikuni Carb.I will find ount how much Invaders where made in the next day's.
Cheers:Mike


Thanks Mike

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 02:23 AM

So Did you dig something interesting out of the dark hinterlands of Dickson ... ???
Or just looking for something unique ?
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 03:25 PM

I will find out.No they were 200cc.The basic engine was the Sachs 175 six speed GS(ISDT)engine outbored to 200ccm with a hevier Flywheel and some more weight on the clutch side.When you orderd the bike you had the option with a Bing or Mikuni Carb.I will find ount how much Invaders where made in the next day's.
Cheers:Mike


Hi Mike, any chance you've found out how many were made? Cheers

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:42 PM

Saracen Invader Trials around 1973, with the 5 speed Mickmar 250cc engine, not sure how many made? Photo etc at http://www.custgp.co...alsbiketwo.html

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Posted 06 August 2014 - 07:50 AM

I have a '74 invader with the 200cc Sachs  engine fitted.

It seems to have a lot more useable bottom end than the 125 I also have, almost "Fantic 200 like" power.

Obviously the suspension is comparatively dated but it would be interesting to ride it in a twin-shock or classic trial on the clubman route.

 

Does anyone know which piston was used and where a + size might be sourced?



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 08:26 PM

Basic engine of the 200 is the sachs 6 speed 175ccm gs(180ccm Army engine Hercules)The modified engine for the Saracen got a brass ring on the flywheel and a big weiht on the clutch side.You can run them with very low revs,it got very good bottem end power.



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Posted 08 October 2014 - 06:37 PM

hi
my brother and I bought 2 Saracens from john burdon m/cs in 1972
both were sachs 125 alloy barrel engines
local rider brian Johnson rode one for burdon that was heavily modified, because as standard they were useless
we saw jon bliss and david brand competeing in the ssdt that year
my brother also competed
I believe brand owned the factory


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Posted 14 October 2014 - 06:47 PM

[quote name="huskycr500" post="377537" timestamp="1412793471"]himy brother and I bought 2 Saracens from john burdon m/cs in 1972both were sachs 125 alloy barrel engineslocal rider brian Johnson rode one for burdon that was heavily modified, because as standard they were uselesswe saw jon bliss and david brand competeing in the ssdt that yearmy brother also competed


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Posted 15 October 2014 - 02:39 PM

Hi,

 

The complete Saracen story, with images, is told in ORRe-4.

 

The works team in the 1970 SSDT did include Jack Galloway,

 

Enjoy,

 

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:09 AM

hi deryk you may not know  that my first trials bike was a 125 saracen bored to 150cc and came s/hand the previous owner was david banks the son of that grand old east london dealer and greeves rider monty, it had scottish paint marking on it and i think that david rode  it in the trial , it later became one of my outfits , fitted with a slightly detuned triumph  daytona motor  was asking a bit much of the frame  but bill wilkinson welded it back together and enabled me to finish the allan jeffries that year,i became a sort of honary  yorkshireman as to the shock of the locals bill did the job for nought,  will. 



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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:12 PM

hi
my brother and I bought 2 Saracens from john burdon m/cs in 1972
both were sachs 125 alloy barrel engines
local rider brian Johnson rode one for burdon that was heavily modified, because as standard they were useless
we saw jon bliss and david brand competeing in the ssdt that year
my brother also competed
I believe brand owned the factory

Just one point - Brand didn't own the factory, he rented the space in what had been part of the printing empire, Odhams, building.

 

I know 'cos I was a director of the company that rented the top floor where we assembled the walkie-talkies used by the emergency services like the Coastguards and the Air/sea rescue squadrons of the Air Force, as well as the units used underground in the mines by their rescue bods.

 

Cheers


Edited by laird387, 08 November 2014 - 01:13 PM.

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