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#1 modifier

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

I was reading a thread on another trials forum that they are changing a rule and that you will no longer be allowed to stop forward motion or you get a point (or maybe 5?).

They weren't talking about the details but mostly about several small bike companies lobbying for this in an effort to "save" the sport.  Everyone seemed to think it was a bad idea.  

This makes little sense to me.  Does this mean what is implies?  I'm totally new to motor trials,  my new bike hasn't even shipped yet,  I'm not expert on a push bike either but on a bicycle if I'm riding up a very technical section I sometimes have to stop and regain my balance then pedal on up.  I'm also watching Ryan Young's Advanced Trials video and they are constantly stopping forward motion to set up for an obstacle. It seems to be one of the main techniques he is teaching.  I must be misunderstanding the rule.

Personally I think if you have the ability to ride backwards to retry something you should be allowed.  Seems to me if you don't go out of bounds or put your foot down or balance yourself with a handlebar or body on a rock or tree you should be able to do anything you want.

Will this apply to trials in the US too?  Would someone please fill me in.  Thanks.

Edited by modifier, 19 January 2013 - 02:02 PM.



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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:49 PM

You are new ,so this should not really be a problem. This rule has been changed and modified many times through the years. Original rules always kept forward motion, as this is a motorized sport. There have been many reasons for the changes. Mainly time was the first factor as the worlds best riders could spend 30 minutes or more trying to clean a section. Watch how the world round goes this year. It would be a year or two before the rules in the USA are changed or if ever.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:13 AM

stop of foward motion, is a double edged sword, unless they make the sections safe enough for no stop, i dont see it happening here in the states, and it will really only effect the upper classes, expert and Pro riders.
you cant cross your own path, and thats one of the reasons moving backwards in no no,
unless you hop the rear tire over, you will cross back on your on path.
if you look at the NATC web site, you can down load the AMA National rules..
set yourself up with a local club, many of them wont innact the no stop rule, as well as other NATC rulings.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 01:40 PM

Here is what Adam R thinks of the idea.

https://www.youtube....d&v=Y1WCyVF-_2A

And great coverage of some observed trials. Imagine telling those guys they can't stop or reverse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjCWqogJOes

Edited by modifier, 22 January 2013 - 01:42 PM.


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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:19 PM

i dont know of any of the riders that compete at that level that think No Stop is a good idea. might be ok for classic trial..but not for the big stuff.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 08:53 PM

Dont get the relevance of the video theyre all on bloody push bikes ?
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 09:27 PM

Dont get the relevance of the video theyre all on bloody push bikes ?

Should I fetch our coats ? :rolleyes:

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 09:44 PM

Dont get the relevance of the video theyre all on bloody push bikes ?


It's still trials. They stop, and reverse all the time. No stop rule would kill it. It's bloody cool ;)

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

going backwards, unless you hop the rear wheel over, is crossing your own path.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:04 PM

I like the part where he states that the observers have volunteered to be there without pay and that the rules that they judge the riders by should be simple and easy for them to make a determination of the score.


Personal opinion, Stop and balance = control and is ok Stop with foot down = human kickstand and is a 5 (Hell, your bike can do this without you)

I like the no backing up idea, just because it gives some continuity to the section and eliminates the possibility of attempting the same obstacle multiple times. If you fail to get over the obstacle once, you should not be able to fail it 5 more times because you already failed it. At a club level no backing up also reduces the time spent in a section if the club does not have a time limit.
To be a MotoTrials rider it takes focus and OH LOOK A SQUIRREL!


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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:49 PM

Stop and balance = control and is ok Stop with foot down = human kickstand and is a 5 (Hell, your bike can do this without you)


:agreed:
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:55 AM

most modern bikes will stay up with no rider, find that sweet spot, it will stay..i like the stop with a penalty..you can stop, but if you dab, its a big ol 5,
like i said. they will ride, stop, clean the section...get a 5 for stopping, then protest the section saying it could only be done with a stop.
and that 5 will be reversed..
i doubt that the no stop will make it to the NATC..already too much drama from it, and nobodys even run an event no stop lol

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:11 PM

Sounds like Raga prefers just to ride indoors. One lap and go home? Hardly worth the effort to set a trials!

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

Sounds like Raga prefers just to ride indoors. One lap and go home? Hardly worth the effort to set a trials!

:agreed:
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:46 PM

http://www.trialscen...king-nightmare/

The "touch a marker, get a five" rule made it to the NATC pretty quickly after the FIM adopted it.....

Does anyone know the exact wording of the rule? The FIM was promising MORE major changes in the coming months, but I haven't seen anything yet.




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