cabby Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Trial on Sunday, spectator on the day, who is also a club member, approaches a rider at the end of the trial and says " hope you gave yourself a five for your rear wheel being outside the flag going through a gate on section one, 3rd lap" Rider has no idea what he's on about and explains he couldn't give what he didn't see. Fast forward 48 hours, rider gets a call from trials convener to say spectator has complained about riders score after having seen the results, that showed rider hasn't been marked for a five. What is or should be the decision ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Does anybody take scores in "self observed" trials seriously ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mags Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Does anybody take scores in "self observed" trials seriously ? It seems so... Hehehehehehehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) The decision should be if the spectator is so knowledgeable they should be asked why they didn't observe then this situation wouldn't have arisen. And if they dont wish to observe then they should stop doing so. Edited November 18, 2014 by baldilocks 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabby Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 The rider doesn't dispute that his rear wheel may well have been outside the flag, but his first knowledge of it was after his card was handed in, when said spectator told him. So should he have asked for his card back to change it or do as he did and just left it ? bearing in mind, this is all on the word of the spectator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the addict Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'm with Baldilocks on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffe Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 We ride "observe/score yourself" and as mentioned you can't take it too seriously, I see little instances of points lost that don't show in the final tally. I've never heard of another rider challenging another competitor, its just fun and as the saying goes "we're not playing for sheep stations". Another way to do it is to ride in pairs and score each other. Any way you are really cheating yourself as the aim, I think, is to better your own score. Most infringements I think are possibly unknown to the rider. Cheers Taff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copemech Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Oh no, are they going to take all his winnings? Tell them to prove it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Or how about a trial without observers is actually a practice day 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmeldrew Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Isn't that just a cheeky one? Surely its only a five when you actually have to get off the bike and push it out of the section. Or am I missing something here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casperrasper Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I look at it like this .. You are only cheating yourself . If you won by 5 points knowing you had 5 points to go on score you know you didn't win really .. Unless you get marshals on each section . You will always have this .. It's all about beating the course in my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabby Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Turns out they adjusted the scores accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleanorbust Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Surely its only a five when you actually have to get off the bike and push it out of the section. Or am I missing something here? Could be missing something, yes. The rules, perhaps? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 This is very difficult, if I was the rider and had honestly believed I had cleaned the section I would have looked for other witnesses or riders (sometimes spectators are not impartial). I may have replied that I'll be happy to adjust my score if the spectator can assure me he will watch every rider through the section and check their scores too. I wouldn't If the scores have been changed then it might suggest the rider had cheated and been found out, in which case the right descion was made - perhaps even a little too lenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabby Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 My understanding is the rider accepted that the spectator seen what he seen. However, it was after the rider had rreturned his card that this was brought up with him, where he replied he couldn't give what he didn't see. The trials convener was told about it at the time, it was only 48hrs later after the spectator complained was the results changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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