duggan Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) It's that time of year when I look to change bikes, for the last 4 years I've had 300 Gasers and they've been great, light with bags of power on tap. This year however I quite fancy trying a 4rt, I've had a few goes on friends bikes and yet being completely different to the Gas Gas, ie heavier with less power, I've always jumped off with a smile thinking maybe I'll try one. Has anyone made the jump recently and if so how does it compare long term? Did you swop back to 2 stroke or stick with the Honda? Let me know how you got on? Cheers Ed Edited February 27, 2015 by duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasthatchgas Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I moved from a 300 gasser to a 2008 4rt. I love it. I'm a big lad so can still move it about. I don't ride as much nowadays so 6 months on I am still learning. Basically I think Im not riding aswell as I used to but even when I have a rubbish ride I always have a smile on my face. On the gasser I got annoyed with myself a lot. I am looking at a new one I love it that much. A lot of guys seem to be looking towards the Hondas now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 went to one after a gasser but in the end it wasnt for me. You really need to try one for a good while to be sure, on different terrain also. Greatest bike between sections definately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duggan Posted February 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Cheers for your feed back guys, i do enjoy the power of the 300 gas gas, and I think that's what the Honda will lack in comparison. It's the noise and the build quality that's pulling me towards trying Honda. I think your rite, I really need to have a proper try on one again on some varied terrain with some bigger obstacles. If I buy one on the chance i'll like it, it could be an expensive mistake. If Honda made a the repsol a 300cc as standard I am sure the choice would be easier, I'd bet they'd sell loads more bikes. Last time I heard the 300 kit cost £3000! That's £10000 for a complete bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyted Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Hello Duggan. I too went to a 2014 4RT in April last year. I am 12st 4 lbs with all my riding gear on that's including 2 coats this time of year.I ride clubman class. The advantage of the GasGas for me . Didn't get as tired riding over a full day with a standard bike. The suspension was great and i stood it on end everywhere i rode,easy to control is the best description. Then again i'm built like a hat rack. Standard 4 RT . Heavy and has cost quite a bit to get it to a weight i can now almost manage . I have had a couple of problems the main one for me has been the clutch ,but that's sorted now and the bike is transformed. It does put a smile on your face . But it might take you some time to adjust. The comment that nigel dabster has made is true. If you buy new (should you get a 4 rt),the suspension feels awful for ages and only really gets bedded in after 24hr constant use . Then change the oil for quallity stuff , and adjust to suit . Go through the bike they're like any other trust me on that. Throw the stand away and get a Mitani one at £130 . Use Motul Clutch/brake fluid @ £14.00 a pop as it has a far higher fade point for the clutch actuation.Throw the front tyre away and put an Xlight on(the Repsol has comps on and the standard has Dunlops) and that gives you better control on wet rocks and in streams. The 260 is a vey tractable bike. It pulls rediculously well at low RPM in 2nd and 3rd , What your saying about the power and tractabillity of the GasGas and how you like the power.For me it's not a problem and power/traction wise is a little easier to control .If your 14st ish then i think the whole package for a guy of that stature is even easier to manage so i wouldn't worry about the power at all. Would i go back to a two stroke? No problem. Am i going to ? Honest answer. Up and till last weekend i would have said without a doubt . BUT now the clutch is ok the bike is transformed and i have far more control ,so i'm staying with it and carrying on removing weight where i can and putting titanium footrest extender plates on and titanium fork spring . It's a hard choice you have . If you want to know any more PM me and i'll tell you all i've experienced with the Mont . Sorry for waffling but you asked. Shyted. Edited February 28, 2015 by shyted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckm Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Switched to a 15 repsol from a 13 300 gas gas racing back in November and wouldn't go back. Nothing wrong with the gasser and i can't say I'm any better or worse on the Mont, but for some reason I'm enjoying the Montesa experience and after having owned Beta's and Gassers can't see me going back to them. The only changes I've made to the mont is, switched to x lites from X11, S3 front pipe, 43 rear sprocket and the bike is perfect for me now. I found it to be a bike that you appreciate the more you ride it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyted Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Agree with ckm too but go to msport montesa and check out his bikes and mods.Just brill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsunt Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 The 250 or 260 will have more than enough power, if its really big, then hold it flat out till the valves bounce then your ready to launch. Dont worry about the few extra kilos, the suspension and chassis soak those up. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_earle Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 I have ridden the Montesa with the 300 Kit on and still wanted more out of it, I then tried the beta 300 and the Gas Gas 300 and brought the Gas Gas. I like 4 strokes to play on, but they are not for me in the sections. A 300 Montesa will not feel as pokey as a properly set up 300 Gas Gas. If I could afford it I would have a Mont to play with and a Gasser to compete on as I do like the Mont, Especialy the sound. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboxer Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) The 250 or 260 will have more than enough power Dont worry about the few extra kilos, the suspension and chassis soak those up. Aye, you weren't hanging around at the Scott, either Edited March 1, 2015 by johnnyboxer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie_lejeune Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 The 250 or 260 will have more than enough power, if its really big, then hold it flat out till the valves bounce then your ready to launch. Dont worry about the few extra kilos, the suspension and chassis soak those up. You can't spin for grip like a 2 stroke though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsunt Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 You can't spin for grip like a 2 stroke though? it doesn't grip like the 2t when you burn it, but it will stand you on the back wheel when you shut it off!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie_lejeune Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 then feed the throttle in again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duggan Posted March 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Sounds like there's a lot to consider before making a decision, ideally I need to have my gaser and a Honda out for a day and try them back to back to see if I can adjust to ride the 4t. On build quality and finish the Honda is worth the extra money all day long, but for out and out performance the gas gas has the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 then feed the throttle in again? i couldnt ever get it to grip once it went on mud...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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