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Has anyone had a problem with the plastic fuel tanks swelling on the latest gas gas ? My tank has increased by 20mm in length and has to be forced back into the frame making the fuel tank bow causing a gap between the frame and fuel tank

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I suspect this is down to the ethanol now included in standard unleaded fuel. I have heard that some fairly new Ducatis with plastic tanks are distorting. I try and use only super unleaded as the ethanol content is very low, i think Shell has 0.1% and some others have none, i think BP is ethanol free on super unleaded and others depend on whereabouts in the country you are located.

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I suspect this is down to the ethanol now included in standard unleaded fuel. I have heard that some fairly new Ducatis with plastic tanks are distorting. I try and use only super unleaded as the ethanol content is very low, i think Shell has 0.1% and some others have none, i think BP is ethanol free on super unleaded and others depend on whereabouts in the country you are located.

 

my sherco tank did it too.

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This is a huge issue with anything that takes fuel and has a plastic/neoprene tank, as it's been stated above Ducati have had problems, the older Sherco's had big issues, there's even people with boats having the same problems. What I tend to do with my vehicles with a plastic tank is to drain the tank if I don't plan on using it for a while so there's no fuel to absorb into the plastic and hopefully it's slow down the process. You can also clean the tanks out with hot water and washing powder every now and again which does help a little bit. 

 

I've heard of some people trying various things to try and seal the tanks to stop the ethanol getting into the plastic but as the tanks are smooth inside all the sealers don't stick and end up peeling away. 

 

The last few years ethanol had been added to the fuel at 5% and some brands are using 10% ethanol so the problem is getting worse, If you type in "ethanol content uk fuel" you'll see how big the issue is within the Uk. 

Found this on a classic car post which was dated a few years ago but it shows how more brands are adding ethanol to their fuel.

 

BP    Ethanol is added at 5% to unleaded petrol at all sites across the UK. BP Ultimate (super unleaded petrol) does not have Ethanol added, except in the South West of England.   

Esso   Ethanol is added at 5% to unleaded petrol at most sites in the UK. Esso Super Unleaded petrol does not contain Ethanol, except in the South West of England (Devon and Cornwall)   

Shell   Shell has repeatedly refused to answer the question. It is therefore an assumption only, that all Shell petrol should be considered to contain 5% Ethanol.   

Texaco    Ethanol is added at 5% to unleaded petrol. Texaco Super Unleaded petrol does not contain Ethanol.   

Total   Ethanol is not added to any Total fuel (including standard unleaded petrol). Except in the North West and South East of England. 

I had read somewhere that the Tesco Super Unleaded was the petrol with the highest Ethanol content as they had used Ethanol to increase the Octane Rating, if true then sounds best to avoid using this.

Also has anyone tried the Ethanol Removal Kit sold by Ethanil . co.uk  ? , there has been an article in Classic Bike magazine about using this kit and it seems a simple way to remove the Ethanol, this could be a good alternative to trying to find Ethanol free fuel

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Also old tanks (for cafe racers etc) have this problem nowadays because of the new gasoline...

 

Actually it was the effect of the alcohol in Cleveland Discol on cafe racer tanks that led to the banning of non-metal tanks for motorcycles in Britain in the late Sixties or early Seventies, so it ain't a new problem. 

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Its not just ethanol that is the problem, there are a lot of additives in fuel. Some cause some plastics to swell, others cause then to shrink, some cause embrittlement.

A hot water / detergent solution (Janitol original) will often reduce the size of a swollen tank, the longer the treatment the more the reduction.

 

Last year I let some 2k primer partially go off in my spraygun and could not fully shift it with gunwash. I put some methylene chloride is the gun and left it for a week. In addition to shifting the primer it shrunk the paint cup. Whether it would shrink a tank I have yet to try.

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This really shouldn't be for riders to fix should it? Cars have plastic tanks and I've never heard of this with cars, has anyone else?

That's a good point about car tanks being plastic ,

but they are " out of sight, out of mind"

I have a Peugeot 307 diesel (diesel now contains ethanol as well)

This has a plastic tank

Recently had to change the fuel gauge sender unit and the new part was a tight fit in the tank,

so the tank could have changed shape due to ethanol

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If there is room enough and you can not see it there is no problem.

 

 

KTM also has/had problems with fueltanks e.g. in their 690's a kind of sludge was coming from the inside of the tank or hoses which blocked the fuel filter and pump. It gets more and more difficult for producent to make something. Maybe stick to aloy tanks...

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Was looking at a friend's bike the other day, both of us have 2014 models. My tank has swelled far enough that its now difficult to get the front bolt in. My friends hasn't but he says he always uses super unleaded, i dont but ill try it and see if it shrinks back

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This issue is not going away. My 2014 GG tank has swollen quite a lot. I always use super unleaded but as I live in the south west there appears to be ethanol in everything. Has any one discovered a new way to reduce this effect? 

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