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Lower Back Burn

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He guys im still wet behind the ears i have  been practicing in back yard  tight turns ,off cambers and small logs after about 20 min lower back burns feels strained was wondering is that normal (just started riding it daily )  will bar risers help im 6 2 on a Techno or would a brace help  or just toughen up and work through it   Thanks guys 

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11 hours ago, ss426a said:

He guys im still wet behind the ears i have  been practicing in back yard  tight turns ,off cambers and small logs after about 20 min lower back burns feels strained was wondering is that normal (just started riding it daily )  will bar risers help im 6 2 on a Techno or would a brace help  or just toughen up and work through it   Thanks guys 

Buy/make some spacers [20mm/ 3/4'']  that fit in between the top triple tree and the bar clamps and some longer allen cap head bolts to fit the setup. You will stand more upright....Try it and see how you like it,  its not a bank breaker.

If you have back pain do some core/back excercises to strengthen your back.

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 Bend your knees more. Might post a pic of your bar set up. Risers will just make you ride wrong.

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Simple exercise ; lay flat on the floor , Lift your legs up and bend knees , place your palms against your knees and push into your chest with your legs while pushing against your knees with your arms , Then switch up and grab the outside of your knees with your hands and push your legs away from your body while pulling them in with your hands ... Alternate about every 15 seconds for 2 minutes to start and your lower back will feel the burn ... Best back exercise I've ever learned ! Oh and RELAX on the bike !!!

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Yup perfectly normal. Beginning of season after winter layoff kills me even with going to the gym. You have to get used to a whole new riding position and as a newby you are probably much tighter in the core trying to hold the bike going where you want it to go. After a while you'll get used to the position and learn to relax and let your legs do the work of steering the bike. Unless you are really tall riser bars will just mess with your riding position and get you into bad habits. Make sure your bars are forward enough. A lot of guys start out with their bars too far back. This takes away a lot of the normal leverage you gain from opening up the rider space. The bars should be perpendicular to the ground or slightly forward. Remember to keep your knees bent and out from the bike and steer with pressure from your legs. When your back hurts take a break. Your body is telling you it's under stress and trying to do anything while a muscle is in spasm increases the risk of injury and will get you into bad habits that will pop out at the most inopportune time.

Don't worry, you'll get used to it. After a while you'll get back on a "normal" bike and wonder how anybody can ride the things.

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Not being dis respectful here but could some body explain to me the way that adding a small bar riser is going to make you ride wrong at an average Joe level .....obviously if your riding in Trial GP Class and going up 8/10FT vertical steps and need to get your body forward to keep the front to the face of the climb....but seriously[make you ride wrong..he is 6ft2"]  On a TY with tiller type clamps [sloping back towards you] then I can see how that would push  you back a bit;but the Techno clamps are direct.....replies that came from a thread about the fitting of taller bars like 5 1/2" to 6" suggested that taller riders on this forum[ 6ft and over] felt that it was a marked improvement to riding their bikes.So surely adding spacers to the clamps is like adding taller bars,and adjustments to rider positioning are made by moving the bars forward or backward in the clamps

We are not talking fitting Apehanger bars off a HD Easyrider chopper here.





 

After reading those comments I tried it myself[fitted spacers not taller bars] and it is better and has improved my riding IMO; as I am not stooped over the bars..with my neck at an uncomfortable angle.

The way a bike is set up is purely personal....there are guides that suggest that there is a specific way to do this but in reality a rider will set his bike up how he/she feels comfortable[and should do] regardless of those guides.

Riders like Bou, Fujinami,Fajardo and Busto are from Lilliput and when they hold the bars they can stand almost straight as if just stood on the ground very comfortable for them.....a minimum of back bending for them unlike being 6ft 2".

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  You lose leverage with bar risers. The human body is  proportional. Your height has nothing to do with bar position as your arms should make up the difference. Seen Doug L`s. 

bar risers lately? In fact tall riders have way more advantage if they use it. Grasshopper like. My kid is over 6` 4` and he cannot ride a bike with risers as the leverage lost is valuable to basic skills. Every new Enduro rider coming into this sport wants risers! :rotfl:  

 The funny thing looking back to the 70`s and 80`s bike stance, we would need 10 inch and taller bars for the new riders.    

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Yes understood perfectly.... not quite sure Dougie Lampkin rides at the same level as an Average Joe [in the USA your average Joe's must be more like Pat Smage ] the kind of sections average Joe rides in the UK would be considered easier than linked parts of a circuit at GP level so it probably is not so critical  as when your attacking large steps that require good leverage of the bike.

Not sure I said that bar position was especially important to a paticular height of rider.

 

In a recent interview with Albert Cabestany he mentioned that he was working on a lower front end on his bike and I assumed he was meaning lower handlebar mountings or such.

Anyway we will have to agree to differ on this as you are talking about a different level of riding than I am and any person reading this thread can make their own mind up about what set up is best for them; taking into account  how the bike is used.

To finish I can say from experience that after fitting 2cm high bar risers with 4 1/2" bars that my bikes reactions have not noticeably changed but I can definitely notice that the riding comfort has.
 

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Have to agree with Oni nou, making the bike as comfortable as possible would be the first thing i ever do to my bike. At 6'4'' i have to raise the bars with a 3/4'' spacer, or run higher bars. My neck and lower back just can't take the stock angle for very long. I'm 57 years old, ex-motocrosser, injured my neck in a bicycle/car accident. Comfort comes first. Would lower bars work better, probably, but it is of little value if your back aches after 20 minutes of riding and you have to call it a day.

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I'm a old time enduro rider/ desert racer , I have my old Fantic and been back into Trials for about 12 or 13 years now . At a event around 7 years ago , Bob Ginder (of B&J Racing Fame) Jumped on my beloved 240 while I played on one of his tractor yamahas . He came back on the Fantic , asked me for a couple of allen wrench's and proceeded to adjust my bars and levers . Then he went off and rode her a few more minutes and then handed my bike off to one of his buddies . After a select few others rode my precious bike I got her back .(all the while while grinning riding his trick TY ). And I rode a couple practice sections that were set up ...And after the initial WTF! this is weird ! I relaxed and got a whole lot more comfortable on my own bike ! and I rode better that day .When I got home I painted marks on the bars and lever clamps , took pictures and got out a magnetic protactor and wrote all the angles down ! All of my other bikes to date have been set up as close as can be to the same angles . Bar and lever position is a major key to bike control !!! And I've said it before bob ,  But thanks again ...! 

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 Like I said, every new rider wants the bars higher. Reality, trials is all about body position. Which first means to bend your knees, not stand straight and tall. Watch any new rider and that is why they struggle with most obstacles. I am not being stubborn, that is what it takes to ride.  Sure I understand being old and sore as I have had plenty of injuries through the years.

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Well at 6'2" he may just qualify as really tall. Taller bars might help but my main point is the OP is probably sore because it's a relatively new activity and it isn't at all uncommon for trials riders who are new or coming back from time off the bike to just want to lay down on some nice hard rock for a few minutes during the event to stretch the spine. I also want to make sure his bars are in the correct position before I recommend a change that can't be properly evaluated without making sure the basics have been covered first.

If you want to see a real tall rider look up world round pics of Bernard Cordonnier. At 6'6" he always looked like he was riding a mosquito.

Ah Bernard, Martin, Diego. Now I've made myself sad.

 

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For those just tuning into this thread Lower back burn is not a new section added to this years SSDT.

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Thanks for the info my 55 year young back is adjusting better to more peg time. starting to relax a little bit more seems to help and bending knees is something I am working on.just trying to relax more it's harder than it looks for sure but very fun and challenging I'm also going to adjust bars a little bit more up try that  and see how that feels . Like I said more I'm riding it the less tight I feel I think that was some of back pain it is easing up . Also want to switch from my MX boots to trials boots seems like everyone recommends that for moving on pegs thanks again guys 

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yup, as said before that's normal. It's amazing just how physical trials is as a sport....looks very calm and sedate, but its a great workout and like any workout one suffers after the first few.

My back hurts like hell after a ride, but if I ride regular basis it's not such a problem

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