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Will cops now start targeting road trials. 

Heard reports from a couple of rider's,  that a cop just happen to be passing a road trial last month and he decided to pull everyone that came out the farm track on to the road. 

Did them for small number plates and tyres not for road use. 

If true, it could be the thin end of the wedge and it may give them the idea to set up outside these trials for easy money. 

Anyone heard about it or was it just a rumour. 

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1 hour ago, shakennstirred said:

Will cops now start targeting road trials. 

Heard reports from a couple of rider's,  that a cop just happen to be passing a road trial last month and he decided to pull everyone that came out the farm track on to the road. 

Did them for small number plates and tyres not for road use. 

If true, it could be the thin end of the wedge and it may give them the idea to set up outside these trials for easy money. 

Anyone heard about it or was it just a rumour. 

Sounds more like that police employee  has some kind of personal interest in that situation and it was no coincidence that he just happened to be there .....there are many people that dislike motorbikes in general or are on a mission to save the countryside for the precious little ones futures or are still on a mission to dish out misery to all because they were laughed at at school for having ears that stuck out. ......the list goes on.

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sounds like its made up nonsense.. tyres are perfectly legal for road use in uk as long as they are inflated and have a mimum tread depth.. so yes its a made up story..

 

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Michelin tyres are legal for road use in the UK but not for USA / Canada.  Could be done for low pressure. 

We haven't got a leg to stand on regarding the registration plate

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4 hours ago, totalshell said:

sounds like its made up nonsense.. tyres are perfectly legal for road use in uk as long as they are inflated and have a mimum tread depth.. so yes its a made up story..

 

Riders need to check which tyres they have fitted for road trials if they want to avoid that kind of charge

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Think you will find there is more than a grain of truth in this. Warnings and producers given if i heard correctly.

Its bound to come as all the bikes used that i know of are sitting ducks for the police. We all know the bikes are illegal if we are honest. At the very least do everything you can to comply including taxing and insuring your bike. Blow up your tyres before going on the road. Even a detachable legal number plate is a grey area but at least you are trying. Perhaps a water trough to disperse the worse of the mud which is another one they will use.

Its only going to get worse so make the most of it while you can.

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I have known this at a few trials several years ago, these trials are now run all off road. Remember last years Scott when the police targeted spectators and retiring riders.

This situation is entirely the sports own fault, stupid rear mudguards, lack of reliable speedos etc. It is also one of the reasons the sport is declining because the bikes can't be used for anything else. Like I have said previously on this TC before. if it says "not for highway service" on a tyre buff it off with sandpaper or a flap disc.

The ACU should take the lead on this by negotiating with the manufacturers and the government. A horn should not be required. A proper mechanical speedometer should be fitted to front wheel. The rear mudguard should not point skyward and should have pre drilled mounting holes for a proper plate. DVLA should assign motorcycle registration to minimise number of digits and they should be able to be smaller than standard car size.

Another problem trials, mx and enduro bring on themselves is lack of adequate silencing. Just pointing the outlet at the ground would make a huge reduction the apparent noise level.

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7 hours ago, dadof2 said:

I have known this at a few trials several years ago, these trials are now run all off road. Remember last years Scott when the police targeted spectators and retiring riders.

This situation is entirely the sports own fault, stupid rear mudguards, lack of reliable speedos etc. It is also one of the reasons the sport is declining because the bikes can't be used for anything else. Like I have said previously on this TC before. if it says "not for highway service" on a tyre buff it off with sandpaper or a flap disc.

The ACU should take the lead on this by negotiating with the manufacturers and the government. A horn should not be required. A proper mechanical speedometer should be fitted to front wheel. The rear mudguard should not point skyward and should have pre drilled mounting holes for a proper plate. DVLA should assign motorcycle registration to minimise number of digits and they should be able to be smaller than standard car size.

Another problem trials, mx and enduro bring on themselves is lack of adequate silencing. Just pointing the outlet at the ground would make a huge reduction the apparent noise level.

One thing I agree with you on

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Conversely at another trial a while back some troublemakers were throwing stones at riders while on the road; the police attended and didn't pull any riders, and scared off the neer-do-wells.

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7 hours ago, gasserguy said:

No such thing as a small number plate.  It's the lettering size and a spacing measurement. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/533255/inf104-vehicle-registration-numbers-and-number-plates.pdf

 

You being pedantic, it's a term. 

Also To comply with those regs it needs to be a minimum size to fit everything on with the correct spacing, most trials bikes I have seen don't comply, so yes they are to small 

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in the modern world of ANPR (ie computer readable number plate) i don't think "movement" on number plates is realistic

the rest of it, broadly bikes are built for a pan european legal system (which we may be brexiting), and bike manufactures have to jump through hoops to get them on the road, and we (riders) have to jump through more hoops to get the bikes on the road.

should we (the sport) try and spend vast sums of money (raised by who from where ???) on hiring lobbyists and trying to get the law changed or loopholes added for our obscure minority sport ??? we can if that is what need to be done, but even then we can only hope to change what is on the legislative agenda, which beyond incorporating EU law en masse into UK law doesn't seam to leave any legislative time in the next few years, if after that some sort of transport bill comes up we might get an opportunity.

off the top of my head, are the trials importers members of the MCIA ??? (Honda as the current importers of Montesa) How much does the MCIA spend on lobbying, or should it be the ACU and AMCA ??? Even if you were Honda, are you going to rock this boat for the tiny number of units you sell in the trials market, and of those units how many are put on the road (we can look this data up from new registrations with the DVLA that are published)

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Many of the rules we are expected to abide by are regulations, nor legislation. There is a big difference. The problem is not so much the laws being pan european or not, its the manufacturers making bikes that do not comply with them properly.

If the ACU, AMCA and manufacturers representatives got together and presented a reasoned case to the government to reduce the size of the digits and plates and reserve the registration combinations with fewer digits for motorcycle use they may listen.

When rear mudguards were at reasonable angles and the size fitted to monoshock Yams, Fantics etc there was hardly ever a problem with number plates, since the introduction of thin pointy things stuck up in the air numerous riders have been warned that if they don't put it right they will be prosecuted. 

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10 hours ago, dadof2 said:

If the ACU, AMCA and manufacturers representatives got together and presented a reasoned case to the government to reduce the size of the digits and plates and reserve the registration combinations with fewer digits for motorcycle use they may listen.

 

It wouldn’t be difficult to manufacture a replacement mudguard for the correct number plate, but how many people would actually buy one!

I can really see the DVLA changing the size of digits for trials riders…:rotfl:

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Another thing to note, I don't remember myself or anyone I know ever being pulled for a small number plate on trail bikes without there being significant other problems with the bike ... and we've ridden a LOT of road miles.  I use my XR for popping to the shop all the time :)

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