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 Being you both have the same experince. I tend to think you are pushing your you tube video numbers on this website. Good luck Sheepy on learning trials from someone that has not ever.

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28 minutes ago, lineaway said:

 Being you both have the same experince. I tend to think you are pushing your you tube video numbers on this website. Good luck Sheepy on learning trials from someone that has not ever.

Ahh, there it is. Perhaps that is the underlying gripe you seem to have with me. I don't care about video numbers, it doesn't do anything for me. It's just a little side hobby, and the main thing that keeps me going is knowing that my videos have helped other riders, and hearing from those folks. I monetized my channel out of curiosity, I knew I wouldn't make anything from it, and I haven't yet. 45 bucks give or take which I won't be able to claim because the minimum is $100 and the channel will be demonetized soon regardless, so that beer money is pretty much lost. I will still make how-to videos. But nice job on avoiding the challenge.

So you're not going to try to help him perfect this technique and teach him the "right" way? I haven't even done a trial and yet I can apply the japzap and help others do so. You presumably have done many, and haven't provided all that much help. If your teaching approach works better for Sheepy, then I would seriously applaud you, because that's what this thread is supposed to be about.

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Sheepy,

something Jacob429 said reminded me that just like the jump on top without a bike your doing the same thing with the bike.  When that clicked in my head I got it first attempt.  It feels like your going to ram your hips into the bars, however what happens is that the bike moves forward as you do so you and the bike land on top with issue.  Before that I was just jumping up, and thinking my forward movement was enough to carry me op and over.

One of the hard parts of doing this on the round tire is that it's more difficult to punch the front tire into rather than set it on top or glance it off of the round portion of the tire.  You will have better luck with a bit more revs and be faster with the clutch but that has other risks.  

Good luck.

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Sheepy - out of interest can you jump clean on top of it by using the double blip? I know you're trying to learn the zap but if you get the double blip first then you can add in the clutch. That way you can separate the jump and the clutch aspects and nail both. 

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2 hours ago, al_orange said:

Sheepy - out of interest can you jump clean on top of it by using the double blip? I know you're trying to learn the zap but if you get the double blip first then you can add in the clutch. That way you can separate the jump and the clutch aspects and nail both. 

I haven’t filmed myself doing a double blipso I’m not sure how much lift im getting,but I can clear it without the bash plate hitting most of the time. Good point though,I should keep practicing double blip until I can start adding the clutch.

thanks 

like others have said I left the clutch alone after the initial drop today and started feeling like I was making progress

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15 hours ago, jonnyc21 said:

Sheepy,

something Jacob429 said reminded me that just like the jump on top without a bike your doing the same thing with the bike.  When that clicked in my head I got it first attempt.  It feels like your going to ram your hips into the bars, however what happens is that the bike moves forward as you do so you and the bike land on top with issue.  Before that I was just jumping up, and thinking my forward movement was enough to carry me op and over.

One of the hard parts of doing this on the round tire is that it's more difficult to punch the front tire into rather than set it on top or glance it off of the round portion of the tire.  You will have better luck with a bit more revs and be faster with the clutch but that has other risks.  

Good luck.

So I should be jumping as if I’m just jumping without the bike up onto the tyres? Should I pull on the bars too or let the momentum do it?

thanks 

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1 hour ago, Sheepy said:

So I should be jumping as if I’m just jumping without the bike up onto the tyres? Should I pull on the bars too or let the momentum do it?

thanks 

You don't have to pull on the bars, you can though. What you want to avoid is pushing against the bars, let them come to you. Part of the lift comes from the rotation of the chassis, so pushing away from the bars will prevent that rotation thus reducing lift. 

In your video you were punching it fine and getting enough compression from the suspension so you're good there. Your body was just a bit farther back than needed or you weren't jumping forward enough. You're so close to getting it, you'll have some "ah-ha!" moments soon if you keep practicing. That obstacle is good practice and the consequences for messing up should be minimal, so next time you do it you just gotta know you got it no problem and go for it!

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2 minutes ago, jacob429 said:

You don't have to pull on the bars, you can though. What you want to avoid is pushing against the bars, let them come to you. Part of the lift comes from the rotation of the chassis, so pushing away from the bars will prevent that rotation thus reducing lift. 

In your video you were punching it fine and getting enough compression from the suspension so you're good there. Your body was just a bit farther back than needed or you weren't jumping forward enough. You're so close to getting it, you'll have some "ah-ha!" moments soon if you keep practicing. That obstacle is good practice and the consequences for messing up should be minimal, so next time you do it you just gotta know you got it no problem and go for it!

Thinking back,I’m not jumping farward at all,just up! Also,I haven’t touched my suspension since I’ve had the bike,I don’t want to start blaming the bike at all because an experienced rider could do whatever he wanted with it. But maybe setting it for my weight could give me a helping hand! 

 

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3 hours ago, Sheepy said:

So I should be jumping as if I’m just jumping without the bike up onto the tyres? Should I pull on the bars too or let the momentum do it?

thanks 

If you use more body and pull on the bars you will get more lift for larger and more undercut obstacles, for your sized tire you should be able to just jump forward, and as indicated, just not push on the bars but let them come to you.  

You can also add a small pull up on the bars as a way to help with timing and preparation for larger obstacles.

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I think you have the 'Getting onto the Tyres' bit nailed, but you are stopping at the top.   I also ride Classic motorbikes and my Classic Club uses the 'non-stopping' rules...  So that would be an instant 5 for you.  Even in Stopping Allowed rules you would get either a 1, or a 3 if you put both feet on the floor.

So maybe try it the other way around, or use a plank onto the tyres, so that you concentrate on getting off the tyres with the front wheel under control.  In some of the National trials, sections such as 'Pipeline' will see these rocks coming at you thick and fast, so you really need to keep the front wheel under control, so it does not dive into the bottom of the next rock.   You need your front wheel to meet the top of each rock, big or small, so that it causes the least amount of resistance to forward motion.

To practice Wheelies, I have a Willow tree in my back garden, and it has fronds dangling from it.  I choose a frond that is 5 foot from the ground, and practice hitting it with my front wheel... straight up, then straight down again... the bike hardly moves forwards.   You could try dangling a Tennis Ball from a string, if you haven't got a Willow Tree..

Best of Luck, please join a club and enter some easy trials ..sooooon.....

try...     https://www.acu.org.uk/Centres-Clubs/

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ACU Clubs Link.

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