billycraig

Think the jist of this is -
If you think it works and can see / feel the benefit get one.

IF you dont believe it or that it works then dont buy one.
If it's a placebo and benefits you then its cheap

PHB, on 09 March 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

You normally find that the ****ers shouting absue at observers, especially at world rounds only go to one trial a year

Nigel Dabster, on 11 March 2011 - 07:04 AM, said:

Never thought this would happen BUT well said Dabster!
Everytime BenBeta23 views HIS opinion there's always loads of derogatory comments and a barrage of offensive abuse hurled at him.

Regardless of the observer giving up his Sunday or not, if he was not treating everyone the same then Ben is perfectly entitled to call him 'a complete idiot' without other forum members then attacking Ben's views and hurling personally abusive comments directly at him and telling him he doesn't care for his sport unless he observes etc. How the fcuk do you know what he does/doesn't do in relation to trials?? He was at a BTC round actively supporting his sport.

If he was unhappy with the observing why would he go and complain? He wasn't riding so the observer would point blank ignore him.
I can only assume that everyone abusing Ben's comments are model trial riders who NEVER moan about observers and always give up alternate Sunday's to ensure that they do 'their part' and help observing, setting up and running clubs!

Ben is entitled to his opinion on what he see's and feels as much as anyone else.
PS: I'm not a Political Correctness activist and I do not know Ben at all but find it strange that one persons opinions are so continually battered by others on the forum.

Andy, on 11 March 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

Your posts can't be voted on either

Nigel Dabster, on 11 March 2011 - 07:04 AM, said:

Cheers Dabs, I'm glad someone entitles me to an opinion!

BenBeta23, on 10 March 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

Chill out ben, bradford observers are a breed apart, you are entitiled to your viewpoint you were there and you saw what you did.

hrc_monty, on 10 March 2011 - 10:31 AM, said:

Just Realised that, Makes it so much easier, Otherwise I usually end up forgetting.

Telecat, on 08 March 2011 - 10:21 PM, said:

which section was you on?

Last Sunday saw me attend my first ever trials event, the 2011 Colmore Cup. Awesome fun even without the added interest of my passion for photography, and I've never been to a motorsport event before where I've sometimes needed to use a wide angle lens or a flash gun! So far removed from the usual clinical environment of circuit racing.

All photos shot with a Canon 400D (as the EXIF info will tell you) and most using my Canon 24-105mm L Series lens. The rest were shot with a Canon 70-300 IS USM II. The flash where used was a Canon 580EX II.

Full instructions given as some forum Users may be unfamiliar with Flickr:

1. Click here
2. Then single click the first (top left) of the small thumbnails in the grid and wait for it to load
3. Now single click on the photo that opened from the thumbnail
4. Now press "Next" to step through the photos

The words being spoken in this shot were "Bloody hell, not you again!" as I turned up on my fourth stage of the day!

Anyway, comments welcome and I hope that especially for the riders and officials they give some fun.

Hi, Cheers for your replies, If I did have it done I was planning on protecting all the areas that are most likely to get worn e.g side of the frame where your boots rub & some swingarm protectors as well, I have got some front & back mudguards in black & a new sticker set coming sometime soon, So will put them on & see how it looks, If it looks nice, I won't bother with the frame.

Greg, on 08 March 2011 - 07:37 PM, said:

I fully understand & appreciate that, But you always get the one who thinks he has more right than anyone else in the trial, I was stood at section 4 for quite a long time, & Noticed a few of the Expert a & b riders were having a lot of problems with the oberver, Especially a local lad to me, For something the observer didn't even get right. Were you actually there? If not I suggest your the one that should keep you're trap shut.

I think it says something when he is having a go at some of the minders in Exp A & B classes for accidently standing in sections But when Minders like e.g Jack Lee & Shaun Galway come a long & they sometimes do the same thing, He never said anything to them? I Can't see how it's fair that Some minders get treated a lot worse than others? Just because they are minders in a different class doesn't mean they should get treated any worse.

Well done to Dibs though, He rode really well all day, & a big well done to John Lampkin as well, He did a fantastic job all day of minding for James.

Browny had an awesome ride as well, Seems like he's getting on really well with the new bike & the team, His big jump of that log was insane (the section where you had to ride under the big logs near to the end of it)

at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how you observer the section as long as you treat all the riders the same, then whats the problem !!

but as usuall there is always one big mouth who can do a better job than the observer isn't there (BEN)

I have observed at numerous world rounds including last years at Fort Bill and up until that event i can safely say that I have really enjoyed it, But the level of abuse I recieved from idiots in the crowd was truely amazing or should I say appalling, I have been asked to observer again at this years event, but dont feel like I really want to put myself through it again, and it doesn't help the cause for clubs up and down the country to get willing helpers to man the sections at all levels of trials when muppets are posting such crap about them on forums like this.

So once and for all Ben shut the f*** UP and if you really care about your sport give up some of your free time and help out observing at some of the uk champ rounds

Nigel Dabster, on 09 March 2011 - 08:06 AM, said:

Of Course. Sorry it was ment from the point of. Some got away with it, some didn't.

hrc_monty, on 08 March 2011 - 08:51 PM, said:

You're 100% right, How many observers was there on section 4? I was only talking about the one stood at the end of the section next to the big logs, The fact that the mistake he made with the local lad to me, Really annoyed me as it nearly cost him a place, & I really didn't care for his attitude to some of the minders in Expert A & B classes, But that's my opinion. Some will agree & some will disagree. Let's leave it at that.

Will give a massive credit to the two observers on section 11 (I think) who spent all day running from one end of the section to the other, Must have lost a stone by the end of the day!

BenBeta23, on 08 March 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Bit out of Order Beta Ben. If you have such an issue with the minder of section 4 why did you not A - Take it up with the minder himself on the day like an adult, or B - discuss this with the Clerk of the course.

You could also argue that the observers at the top of section 4, were marking riders for toeing off the sump, even though Feet were still on the pegs!!!! Pune got 3 on the first lap for this.

Either way i'm not saying the observers were right, but go through the right channels fella, don't hide behind a computer and name call.

End of the day these guys have given up there time to observe our sport.

So come on guys like all kiss and make up, Sunday was a superb day, and i hope it returns there next year.