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Week 73 - Get Rid Of The National Stewards To Cut The Costs


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And whilst I personally agree with that comment, sadly it sums up the very point that Rappers was making. For the majority of us..... trials is that very luxury that we could save some money on!

But what ever happens, ACU please please don't spend any money on trucks. If you can get a big sponsor who wants that type of image, then fine, let them buy and run the big truck, otherwise 'our' money would be better spent on the grass roots level of the sport.

Please can you tell me what the difference is between Grass routes and Youth?

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There you go, being at events is an education!

You are refering to the famous Thierry Michaud who despite your assumption as a "third" helper is in fact the french FNM representative. (look that up in the rules)

He is not suposed to do what he does in the way he does and I think gives his riders, but mainly Gubian as there great hope, outside assistance and even 2nd minder duties.

Think it was two years back when Alexz was in Poland that he was disputing scores and arguing on Loris's behalf.

The ACU did in fact have a parallel official at the event, did you not see him?

I saw Tim Fairbrother. He came round the camp and said hello. During the European on Saturday, I mentioned to him that George Morton was having problems getting his card on the second lap and could he sort it out (they didnt have one prepared and wouldn't give him one and he lost 15 minutes) . I think he duly did.

I didnt see anyone at all in France.

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There you go, being at events is an education!

You are refering to the famous Thierry Michaud who despite your assumption as a "third" helper is in fact the french FNM representative. (look that up in the rules)

He is not suposed to do what he does in the way he does and I think gives his riders, but mainly Gubian as there great hope, outside assistance and even 2nd minder duties.

Think it was two years back when Alexz was in Poland that he was disputing scores and arguing on Loris's behalf.

The ACU did in fact have a parallel official at the event, did you not see him?

There's an easy solution to all this nonsense - get rid of all the hangers on, minders, helpers and anyone else out of the sections. Get it back to how it should be, just rider and bike against the section and have an observer whose prepared to punch these other w@nkers back out of the section if they try and get involved

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Unfortunately your word's are correct Woody.

We've pretty much seen the best of the like's of the WTC and BTC for me that ended in the mid to late 80's might of lasted abit in the 90's but i can't say i did'nt hang around in trial's in the 90's to find out maybe i knew it would turn into a big fiasco

Since i came back to Trial's 4 years ago there's something in the back of my mind thats say's to me i should have kept away from this lot and just remember the good time's in Trial's as they were.

It forever feel's there's 2 side's fighting for the way they want Trial's to be,it should'nt be like that, and as far as i can remember back in the day it never was like that.

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Thanks for that Woody. You saved me typing all that lot out. I agree with all of it.

The sooner some others take their heads out of the sand and get this sport back to what it should be, a participant sport you will actually get more spectators. The British championship needs to be eased so that the majority of very good centre riders can manage it and enjoy it. The world championship should suit the top 10 from every competing country, not just spain and the UK.

Most sports anyone can have a go and complete the course be it golf, running, motocross or enduro to name a few. Trials is different and it can be made way too difficult and dangerous for most competitors (I guess rock climbing is a sport that can be taken too far so only a few can do it).

It is now too difficult for most and needs sorting.

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It is now too difficult for most and needs sorting.

Without a doubt.

Athough I have no personal interest in it all so have no particular desire to see it go in any direction, it would be a shame to see it dwindle to the point of clubs not wanting to put an event on for so few riders.

However, I didn't want to wander off the cost issue. In a nutshell, what I meant was that ACU money or anyone else's to 'jazz it up' won't cure the fundamental problem of lack of interest. Mike's original point on money saving was the cost of an ACU steward at national events. I'd regard this as drop in ocean, pretty insignificant in the overall scheme of things given the number of nationals a year and as Mick pointed out, it is the clubs decision to run them as nationals incurring that cost, not open to centre events which wouldn't. However, it's a small cost overall and the events are well supported and I as a rider am not querying it and I don't think it would bother many others either.

But, I think the general rank and file licence payers up and down the country would be pretty brassed off if they saw money poured into regenerating the BTC into some kind of media circus when all it would take is to get back to some old fashioned and traditional values at no cost whatsoever - same as a lot of other issues in this country....

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I saw Tim Fairbrother. He came round the camp and said hello. During the European on Saturday, I mentioned to him that George Morton was having problems getting his card on the second lap and could he sort it out (they didnt have one prepared and wouldn't give him one and he lost 15 minutes) . I think he duly did.

I didnt see anyone at all in France.

I was the ACU Jury Rep in France, perhaps you didn't see me coz I was in the all black low viz ACU shirt.

This whole issue seems to have moved a hell of a long way from the price of an ACU Steward.

It seems the ACU will never be right, as shown in this debate, some believe that we don't support the top riders enough, others feel they are well looked after and the grass roots should be supported.

The big thing about Italy, France and Spain is that motorcycling of all disciplines is a national sport,their riders are only just short of gods, in this country we are very much a minority sport at best, and at worst a bloody nuisance who is only out to mug your Granny or spoil your day out in the Lakes by being crashed into by a Range River. WE need a big change in National Psychie before we will ever get any decent support.

Today our Press has been full of crap about our great tennis hero, last night telly schedules were messed about with as this event of national importance unfolded before us. There has been hardly a mention of the bravery and buldog spirit of Bomber Harris jumping back on his bike with a broken nose etc in Cardiff on saturday night!!

Simple fact is that any money we get in the ACU comes from our riders and I believe that in the main we do a pretty fair job of distributing it ammongst all disciplines and levels of riders

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WE need a big change in National Psychie before we will ever get any decent support.

Maybe we need a trials machine manufacturer in the UK. Then, when jobs are at stake, the government would take supporting it much more seriously.

In relation to the theme of this thread, is the

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Today our Press has been full of crap about our great tennis hero, last night telly schedules were messed about with as this event of national importance unfolded before us. There has been hardly a mention of the bravery and buldog spirit of Bomber Harris jumping back on his bike with a broken nose etc in Cardiff on saturday night!!

Aye that had to sting just a bit, them lads are either extremely brave or very dumb, most likely a bit of both. Makes for fantastic Saturday night viewing. I think there's a bit of a parallel with what's happening in top flight Trials though. The one off manufactured stadium tracks are bloody dangerous & sooner or later they're going to hurt somebody very badly. I always thought that Tomasz Gollob was the bravest of the brave but he went through the motions on Saturday night & I'm sure it was the track.

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We are, as Mick Wren said above, the minority.

Yes we are here in the UK, and all the time there is a closed mind attitude to making it any different, it will will stay like it at best, or become extinct at worst.

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This was talked about at the weekend. We've adopted a "can't do" attitude in the UK. We sit back and let bureaucracy and rules and regulations walk all over us. It's hard to believe this is the same country that stood alone against Nazi oppression. Thank **** we're not in that situation now or we'd simply roll over and capitulate (like the French :D) Unless we adopt a CAN DO attitude and a new mindset, we're doomed. As much as I hate the corporate bollocks I'm fed daily, we do need to think "out of the box".

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Quite true Andy. We took the credit for conquering Everest, if that was now the conqueror would be dead before the risk assesment was completed.

This in a way brings us full circle to where this discussion started. There are more ways of supporting something other than pouring money into it. I remember years ago watching something on telly and the guy being interviewed said that the greatest gift you can give your children is your time. Many people, like me, give hours of our time to our sport, and by no means not all of it on expenses. If i won the lottery on Saturday night there would be a truck with British World Trials Team written on it here by next wednesday. I bet many people who write on here would buy themselves a nice new Repsol Cota and keep the rest for themselves.

Yes Andy, you are quite right we should face up to beurocratic bull sh*t and fight till they take notice of us but most of us are just volunteers.

I run my own business ( single handed) I steward trials and enduros, I attend meetings. I help run the Lakes Two Day trial in all honesty I don't have any strength left to fight with, so I just do what I can which is give my time

Wish it could be different

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