atomant Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Im not so sure on that,cameron came out and said,if a council house tenant wanted to buy the property that's ok,but if the buyer wanted to sell after time he would'nt be able to sell the house at market value,instead he would have to sell it back at what he bought it at and the Tax Payer would give the seller the diffrence if he wanted to move on to better thing's.This is the problem with cameron,he start's off talking a good game then put's something daft in. For that reason alone a won't be voting for cameron. I admire Cameron’s public speaking skills - no one can touch him . But he doesn't inspire me like Thatcher did. I have never been inspired by Labour ( except once when I let my guard down and thought Blair could pull it off) I like the concept of socialism but people have been taking the pi$$ out of it and it hasn't been fixed! I have some friends who have always worked all their lives. They both worked for the same company and juggled baby sitters etc so they could work (they have 3 kids). They were both recently made redundant and now they receive more on benefits than they did when both of them were working! They can't believe it and are completely disillusioned as they had decent positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cota kid Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 China has nukes,Argies don't...so the decision made itself I don't think there would have been much left of Hong Kong if China had a nuked it..... although your right, if the Argies had a been a more formidable opponent then we would be calling it the Islas Malvinas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham2 Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 When I was an apprentice working on the factory floor, in the late 80s, (a 99 % labour stronghold if ever there was one) I was tutored by a couple of Falkland 'vets' who were still 'damaged' by their experiences. One of them was so bad that when he got stressed or (according to his wife) was nodding off, he would have a nervous twitch where he would reach out to grab a SLR which wasn't there..just for comfort. The point I'm making is that when' Thatch' was mentioned these blokes never,ever blamed her for the decisions she made regarding the Falklands,they said she had more balls than some of their officers at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cota kid Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 She wouldn't have sent them if she didn't have every confidence that they would retake the islands. Came a bit close up we achieved a great victory and she is remember for it, people tend to forgot she signed Hong Kong back to the Chinese though within a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 people tend to forgot she signed Hong Kong back to the Chinese though within a couple of years. And your point is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy m Posted April 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) Whether you agree or not, Thatcher had a vision (unlike Brown) Human nature (namely greed) killed it all - and there were plenty who saw it coming. Most people in the street who saw the last one would have seen the signs. Like I said before, they didn't care as the good times were just simly too good ! And the bubble has burst big time. Not forgetting a lot of the property programmes ramping it up over the years, as they said property only ever goes up, get on that bandwagon, 120% mortgages, equity release etc etc. Then "pop". = One word, greed. Edited April 15, 2009 by bo drinker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 And the bubble has burst big time. Not forgetting a lot of the property programmes ramping it up over the years, as they said property only ever goes up, get on that bandwagon, 120% mortgages, equity release etc etc. Then "pop". = One word, greed. Are you refering to the Teachers? Their average wage is near 36k ( don't believe its 30k coz it aint) and they are thinking of striking for a 10% wage rise! Jeeez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy m Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Are you refering to the Teachers? Their average wage is near 36k ( don't believe its 30k coz it aint) and they are thinking of striking for a 10% wage rise! Jeeez No, that's another argument. Excellent timing from them, in a deep recession, people losing their jobs l r & c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cota kid Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) And your point is? That she used the Falklands War to win the general election in 1983, yet gave up Hong Kong a British colony of 13 million. ''However, it is believed that with the renewed confidence gained from the victory, Margaret Thatcher suggested in her 1983 China visit an extension of the British rule of the New Territories in Hong Kong, which was to legally end in 1997 with the expiry of the 99-year lease (Beijing never actually recognized any of the 19th century treaties over Hong Kong). She was famously rebuffed during a meeting with then Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping with comments such as "China is no Argentina," and "We can order troops into Hong Kong this afternoon." Formal discussions of British withdrawal from the territory started after this Beijing visit and Hong Kong was returned to China on July 1, 1997. However, on the day of the handover of Hong Kong, former British Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd remarked to Argentine Foreign Minister Guido di Tella; "I know what you're thinking, but you will never see this happen in Port Stanley." I suppose what I am getting it is she is two faced but she was a politician and so it comes with the territory. Edited April 16, 2009 by Cota Kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 That she used the Falklands War to win the general election in 1983, yet gave up Hong Kong a British colony of 13 million.''However, it is believed that with the renewed confidence gained from the victory, Margaret Thatcher suggested in her 1983 China visit an extension of the British rule of the New Territories in Hong Kong, which was to legally end in 1997 with the expiry of the 99-year lease (Beijing never actually recognized any of the 19th century treaties over Hong Kong). She was famously rebuffed during a meeting with then Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping with comments such as "China is no Argentina," and "We can order troops into Hong Kong this afternoon." Formal discussions of British withdrawal from the territory started after this Beijing visit and Hong Kong was returned to China on July 1, 1997. However, on the day of the handover of Hong Kong, former British Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd remarked to Argentine Foreign Minister Guido di Tella; "I know what you're thinking, but you will never see this happen in Port Stanley." I suppose what I am getting it is she is two faced but she was a politician and so it comes with the territory. I haven't researched this but that comment I highlighted, looks like she had no choice to be fair. What could anyone say to that? I don't have the impression that she's 2 faced and in this instance, this looks like there was much more to it than we could possibly know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy m Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Why is she going to have a state type funeral,she's not royalty, apparently the money is set aside for it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Why is she going to have a state type funeral,she's not royalty, apparently the money is set aside for it as well. No idea - but if she does, I reckon you will see a HUGE turn out for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 No idea - but if she does, I reckon you will see a HUGE turn out for it. The Poll Tax riots had a big turn out would it be the same kind of turn out at her funeral? House prices are preceived value (all in the mind) in this country. The value of a piece of metal machined, milled has far greater value than house having a new kitchen installed. The kitchen only mantains the condition of the property but machining a piece of metal adds value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 The Poll Tax riots had a big turn out would it be the same kind of turn out at her funeral?House prices are preceived value (all in the mind) in this country. The value of a piece of metal machined, milled has far greater value than house having a new kitchen installed. The kitchen only mantains the condition of the property but machining a piece of metal adds value. So what your saying is home improvement, isn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 The Poll Tax riots had a big turn out would it be the same kind of turn out at her funeral? In 2004, the University of Leeds and Ipsos Mori conducted an online survey of 258 academics who specialised in 20th century British history and/or politics. Maggie came 4th The BBC television programme The Daily Politics asked viewers (Joe Public) in 2007 to select their favourite Prime Minister. Margaret Thatcher topped the list with 49% of the vote I think she will get a good respectful send off based on that. Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_ra...Prime_Ministers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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