mike_mc Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Ok, serious question: Can you recall a section that you have seen at a championship level trial that had the qualities to challenge both top and not-so-top riders, WITHOUT the big flying leaps, and what was it that made that section so effective? And second, what would the response (both rider and public) be to a trial consisting of nothing but that type of section? Really curious to what your responses will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) Im not so sure that any section which really tests bou can be possible for jack Sheppard. Just cant think of a section, anything i think of is either too hard for one or too easy for the other, and im thinking of sections in France, northrn ireland spain. andorra uk italy portugal and poland Edited September 7, 2015 by nigel dabster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timp Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 There's no easy answer. The Spanish dominate and have mainly over the years. They need to listen to ALL riders who do the world championship and ask them what they want. Doesn't matter what we think. If the organisers make it easy then that is one way of shaking up the championship. Bou and Raga are beatable if the trial is well below their standard. But would it be poorer for spectators? Perhaps not as it could really mean a chance of other winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Another problem that I've noticed on WTC scene is what the riders can get away with in the sections. Not knocking the observers of course!!! However, I was watching a recent vid on You Tube and it was interesting to see that Toni Bou was getting away with what appeared to be "intentional stops", Adam Raga however appeared to be making an effort to keep flowing, which to be honest was better to watch and probably cost him marks in comparison. So difficult for observers but if the rules were applied 100%, the scores would be so high that sections would have to be eased. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie_lejeune Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) how long has fujinami, and cabestany both got left both are 35 now. Raga is 33 Fejardo is 30? Dabill is 29 Bou is 28 Will these guys all still be riding round at 40? If say, Ferrer was the best rider in that class and the rest weren't there, would it swell the enteries as the standard would be lower..I'm not so sure? Edited September 7, 2015 by eddie_lejeune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collyolly Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Just an off the wall idea, with all of the video evidence now available why not do away with the instant observer decision and have a panel review the ride in real time and give a score decision within say 5 minutes of the ride. With no individual to blame for a wrong decision perhaps the rules could be properly used, I have just watched the Jitsie video from the weekend just gone and there was lots of stop riding going on partly because the sections are too hard for no stop and partly because the observers are not able to score by the rules for whatever reason. The riders will always push the limits but I would say that Raga, Cabastany and Dabil ( apologies for any miss- spelling there ) do a good job of riding to the concept of no-stop but are probably paying a penalty for that. Any thoughts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadof2 Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 "Road Racing is huge with massive sponsors and an even bigger following and audience with every boy racer with his Rice Rocket on our roads wanting to be the next Rossi, hence the TV Company's wanting to broadcast it, even Mr Honda can see the value in that?" I have been to 4 popular road bike meeting venues recently and there are very very few boy racers, middle age to geriatric being the vast majority MAMIL mania seems to be taking over. I am pretty certain the newish learner laws are hitting trials and road bike uptake quite severely. My guess is WTC will struggle on in some form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stroke4stroke Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 As one who does not really follow the WTC I thought there would have been more spectators at Portugal - or is that apparent turnout what passes for a crowd these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 locals in Portugal are always thin on the ground, has been like there for a few years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldilocks Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Did you see one ? Andy doesn't count by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazybond700 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 I wanted to go, but allready spend my holiday in lisbon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axulsuv Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 "MAMIL mania" Had to look that one up ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdgfdsgfds Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Why is the FIM licence so much. Do the FIM realise the 125 class has the lowest entries last year it has ever had and thats the future of the world rounds. Xpria M5 cover Google Nexus 9 cover Edited November 1, 2015 by fdgfdsgfds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Why is the FIM licence so much. Do the FIM realise the 125 class has the lowest entries last year it has ever had and thats the future of the world rounds. they do but choose to ignore it. e mail thierry make sure he knows. Tbh a licence is a fraction of the outlay to get around europe to compete let alone japan. Edited October 30, 2015 by nigel dabster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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