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Strange how the MSM failed to report on how retired American soldier who is also a coloured Republican, Kenneth Paschal, won a special election in Alabama. He has filled the seat vacated by former representative Matt Fridy. in doing so he became the first Black Republican to be elected to State legislature in 145 years.

 

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Curious ... also the MSM hasn't reported on the last election for the mayor of Scunthorpe, either - it must be a part of the same conspiracy!

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20 minutes ago, turbofurball said:

Curious ... also the MSM hasn't reported on the last election for the mayor of Scunthorpe, either - it must be a part of the same conspiracy!

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20 hours ago, steveo said:

Strange how the MSM failed to report on how retired American soldier who is also a coloured Republican, Kenneth Paschal, won a special election in Alabama. He has filled the seat vacated by former representative Matt Fridy. in doing so he became the first Black Republican to be elected to State legislature in 145 years.

 

why are you obsessed with the american elections and conspiracies but live in australia?

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On 10/24/2021 at 10:33 PM, pmk said:

Actually, when compared on a deaths per week, based on accepted true deaths from Covid solely, the flu is deadlier.  That is just simple math.  Because Covid has gone on for more weeks, it increases numbers.

As for my errors regarding the vaccines, how they work and such, please share and point out my mistakes.

Where is your evidence that flu is more deadlier than covid. Certainly not according to the BMJ

 

Much confusion has been seen in the UK media about the effects on mortality of flu and covid-19. Gareth Iacobucci separates fact from fiction

Are there more deaths from flu than from covid?

Data from the Office for National Statistics show that in England and Wales the number of deaths from influenza was 1598 in 2018 and 1223 in 2019.1 This is way below the annual deaths from covid-19, which at the current rate of around 800 deaths a week in England and Wales equates to more than 40 000 a year.2

Disagreements have emerged on social media because some commentators have quoted much higher figures for annual deaths from flu.3 The reason for the discrepancy, as highlighted by the health systems researcher Dan Goyal,4 is that flu and pneumonia deaths are often reported together, including by the ONS itself. When pneumonia deaths are included with flu, the number would be 29 516 in 2018 and 26 398 in 2019. This is obviously closer to covid death numbers, though still less, according to current trends.

Covid mortality data have also been the subject of debate. Through the pandemic some datasets, including Public Health England’s, have included all deaths from any cause within 28 days of a positive covid test. Some sceptics have argued that this approach has overestimated the number of people dying from covid-19. But as The BMJ’s columnist David Oliver and the expert statistician David Spiegelhalter have pointed out,56 this approach has probably under-recognised the real number of deaths from covid-19, because of an initial absence of testing back in spring 2020, and because people who survived more than 28 days before dying from covid will not have been included. The ONS’s data, considered the most accurate, are based on cases where covid 19 is mentioned on death certificates. As Spiegelhalter has highlighted, 90% of death certificates where covid-19 is recorded identify it as the primary, underlying cause of death.

Which is more dangerous, flu or covid?

Research published in The BMJ last December,7 which was based on an analysis of US Department of Veterans Affairs data on more than 3600 patients admitted to hospital with covid-19, found that, when compared with seasonal flu, covid was associated with an increased risk of extrapulmonary organ dysfunction, death, and increased health resource use, such as a fivefold higher risk of admission to intensive care and longer stays in hospital. Deaths from covid-19 were most pronounced in people over 75 with chronic kidney disease or dementia and in black people with obesity, diabetes, or chronic kidney disease.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that in the US there were 1.8 deaths from flu per 100 000 population between 1999 and 2019.8 The estimated death rate from covid was 217.54 per 100 000 in the US and 206.73 per 100 000 in the UK.9

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and because people who survived more than 28 days before dying from covid will not have been included. The ONS’s data, considered the most accurate, are based on cases where covid 19 is mentioned on death certificates.

 

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6 hours ago, nigel dabster said:

why are you obsessed with the american elections and conspiracies but live in australia?

Pot calling the kettle black. Best look who has posted many vacuous uninformed replies but lives in the UK. 

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14 hours ago, nigel dabster said:

Where is your evidence that flu is more deadlier than covid. Certainly not according to the BMJ

 

Much confusion has been seen in the UK media about the effects on mortality of flu and covid-19. Gareth Iacobucci separates fact from fiction

Are there more deaths from flu than from covid?

Data from the Office for National Statistics show that in England and Wales the number of deaths from influenza was 1598 in 2018 and 1223 in 2019.1 This is way below the annual deaths from covid-19, which at the current rate of around 800 deaths a week in England and Wales equates to more than 40 000 a year.2

Disagreements have emerged on social media because some commentators have quoted much higher figures for annual deaths from flu.3 The reason for the discrepancy, as highlighted by the health systems researcher Dan Goyal,4 is that flu and pneumonia deaths are often reported together, including by the ONS itself. When pneumonia deaths are included with flu, the number would be 29 516 in 2018 and 26 398 in 2019. This is obviously closer to covid death numbers, though still less, according to current trends.

Covid mortality data have also been the subject of debate. Through the pandemic some datasets, including Public Health England’s, have included all deaths from any cause within 28 days of a positive covid test. Some sceptics have argued that this approach has overestimated the number of people dying from covid-19. But as The BMJ’s columnist David Oliver and the expert statistician David Spiegelhalter have pointed out,56 this approach has probably under-recognised the real number of deaths from covid-19, because of an initial absence of testing back in spring 2020, and because people who survived more than 28 days before dying from covid will not have been included. The ONS’s data, considered the most accurate, are based on cases where covid 19 is mentioned on death certificates. As Spiegelhalter has highlighted, 90% of death certificates where covid-19 is recorded identify it as the primary, underlying cause of death.

Which is more dangerous, flu or covid?

Research published in The BMJ last December,7 which was based on an analysis of US Department of Veterans Affairs data on more than 3600 patients admitted to hospital with covid-19, found that, when compared with seasonal flu, covid was associated with an increased risk of extrapulmonary organ dysfunction, death, and increased health resource use, such as a fivefold higher risk of admission to intensive care and longer stays in hospital. Deaths from covid-19 were most pronounced in people over 75 with chronic kidney disease or dementia and in black people with obesity, diabetes, or chronic kidney disease.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that in the US there were 1.8 deaths from flu per 100 000 population between 1999 and 2019.8 The estimated death rate from covid was 217.54 per 100 000 in the US and 206.73 per 100 000 in the UK.9

I explained and linked my sources and demonstrated with facts from credible references.  Please, if you must attempt to disprove my information, compare your findings in a similar way.  On a deaths per week,  not total deaths, comparing USA Flu deaths of pre Covid time, to accepted actual Covid deaths quantity, the Flu is more deadlier per week.

if you can discredit my sources or calculations for stating the Flu is more deadlier, please explain my error.

I find the error in your reference is based on total deaths, not deaths per week.  The Flu season is accepted to be a limited number of weeks, whereas Covid is not a limited number of weeks.  Yes Covid has resulted in more total deaths per year than the Flu, but is not more deadly when compared on a deaths per week standard.

Based on the article you referenced, and the means of compiling numbers to compare, when regarding total deaths, it certainly seems that dying from old age has killed more people over time.

Nice try, thanks for playing, you can pick up your conciliation prize on your way out.

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