johnh Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Beta 200 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyboxer Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 You want a Montesa Honda 260 4RT, nice sensible 4 stroke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhuskys Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 7 hours ago, heffergm said: This isn't a hard decision. If you've ridden before, and you want something to have fun on that is suitable at almost all skill levels, get a 250. Seems like a Vertigo 250 with infinite mapping choices would be ideal beginner bike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyt Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Hi Nastys Welcome to the sport. As you have recently experienced there will be many subjective responses based upon mainly where they live and past riding experience, what else could there be! I hope to provide you with objective and subjective words of advise. As a person who has ridden trials for 40 years now in the UK and in North America (Canada & the USA) I see it from both perspective and points of view as I have ridden trials bikes 125cc and 300cc in both continents. The fine folks that ride trials from the UK on this site have little to no compression of the vast differences of elevation changes there are across North America. In North America you can ride a trial at sea level (around 500ft) and another trial at 8000 foot elevation. The UK is mostly at sea level at any trial one is never really any further away from a sea @ 100 miles in land. Whereas in North America you can ride @ 500ft or 8000 ft so you have to pick a cc not purely based upon skill level alone but also elevation. Once you get above 1000ft foot elevation the power drops off exponentially. At or around 3000ft it is a struggle. A 125cc trial bike will be VERY un responsive with little to no power at higher elevations so be careful getting advise from those that live at or near sea level on what size of bike regardless of what continent they live on. If you are riding at higher elevations where you live be cautious of what you buy. A 250cc is a good all around docile machine and can be tweaked to make it a rocket ship or a pussy cat. A 250cc will start to feel like a 125cc at around 4500ft elevation. From a grown ups perspective a 125cc trials bike is ridden on RPMs where as a 250 cc is ridden from HP. A 250cc has higher resale value should you decide to sell it down the line. As stated prior by another poster 125cc and 300cc are the on the lower demand of re sale with the 250cc being the most in demand. On a 125cc you will be trying to make it more reactive as you progress through the sport. Respectfully BillyT Edited January 15, 2019 by billyt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Dud USA Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 So you should get a 125 and ride it for your start back to riding then get a 250 or 300 . But the most important thing is to ride alot if you want to improve your riding skill in trials . So the 3 most important things about trials skill improvement are not cc but practice , practice ,practice . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyc21 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) At 65kg a 125 would be fine on power as you have stated you don't have any big hills. I say this because I am 88kg and can ride my daughters 08 Gas Gas 125 just fine on anything but a very big hill I can take my 07 4RT 250 up without issue just with a little more throttle. (FYI: I ride middle of the pack intermediate for reference) Now as for a 250, if you are already experienced and looking to advance a lot a 250 is also a great option and as stated above a black (slow turn) throttle and/or a fly wheel weight could slow the bike down if stock is a little more than you expected and will have a bit more low end power and likely last longer as you progress if your going to try for more advanced levels in sort order. My two cents, though I don't know how much help it is. Good luck with your choice. Edited January 15, 2019 by jonnyc21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyt Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Dirt Dud USA said: So you should get a 125 and ride it for your start back to riding then get a 250 or 300 . But the most important thing is to ride alot if you want to improve your riding skill in trials . So the 3 most important things about trials skill improvement are not cc but practice , practice ,practice . Yes, Practice practice practice pushing a 125cc up a hill. Of course a 125cc will go up the hill if you get a long enough run at it but try cutting back and forth across muddy hill and then going up an obstacle from standing still. Get serious here! You need low end smooth grunt to do that successfully not balls to the wall RPM's The picture below is me going up a fair sized wall on a highly tuned my 125cc quite a while back. It was done from a very short run (about a bike length away from the rock face). The 125cc was revved up high to make the wall, I speak from 125cc ownership experience. The bike had nothing left when it reached the top and if there was another step to go up right away I would not have made it. Nastys is asking for advice and has some riding skills sets and can handle a 250cc bike. Opinions are like elbows everybody has them........... Some elbows have just been around trials for a lot longer and made lots of mistakes to learn from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breagh Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Hi Nastys, a 250 Scorpa will do all you need.If you've a good local dealer don't go by them and it's being patriotic. Trials bikes are nothing like MXers they're pretty mellow in comparison. 125s need more technique to get the best out of them and 300s are just a bit too much at times, plus 250s sell better. Now go and get that bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nastys Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 I'm very impressed by your reply, thanks a lot! Unfortunately, no dealer around me, big shop with choice are at 7 or 8 hours of road, they have only 125 gas gas or 250 scorpa 2016 ( twenty and factory) have seen a scorpa factory 2018 at 30.min to my home but very expensive. 250 Scorpa haven't a dual map? Soft and agressive mode? Thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nastys Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just seen this video, the guy with blue mx helmet ride with the scorpa 125, very fun to see how he ride on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micm Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Forget the dual map issue, I doubt, if there is one, that you will be able to tell the difference. The Scorpa Twenty 250 will be fine for you. The Scorpa Factory may look sexier but might (but not always) have a more aggressive basic electronic mapping. Some people (me included) find Gas Gas bikes harder to start due to their unusual kick start gear design. The novice going over the logs in the video on the Scorpa is not hitting the log properly yet (he's aiming too high) nor is he 'double blipping' the throttle to stop that awkward front wheel down landing on the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nastys Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Thanks Micm, yes you re right on the video so it's nice to do that when you start ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nastys Posted January 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 Hi guys, Have 2 options, gas gas 125 txt racing 2017 on a shop, new clutch and with 3 mint warranty on a shop or.. New 125 scorpa or gas gas for 2000 euros more! Maybee no difference between the 2017 gas and 2019 gas and scorpa racing? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micm Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 New is always nice. 125s ridden by expert young riders are revved and revved and a new clutch shows this in the second hand bike. One other point, see if you find starting the Gas Gas a problem or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oni nou Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Nastys said: Hi guys, Have 2 options, gas gas 125 txt racing 2017 on a shop, new clutch and with 3 mint warranty on a shop or.. New 125 scorpa or gas gas for 2000 euros more! Maybee no difference between the 2017 gas and 2019 gas and scorpa racing? Thanks IMWO.["No not worthless"] as you are just starting out in trials you are going to drop your bike a lot [If you are trying] and it will get sratched and maybe take some damage .....paying 2000 euro more for a bike will not make you ride any better .....but it could be used to buy a new airbox or silencer end cap if you break them while using the bike....if money pours through your letter box or you have a tree in the garden then why ask the question, if it does not then the 17 GasGas is plenty good enough as would a 2004 GasGas pro be good enough with a bit of work. Whatever you buy still needs to be maintained at cost to you unless you are thinking of changing your bike every 3 months linklage bearings, fork seals and clutches wear out at the same rate on a 2017/2019 as they do on a 2004 or 2010 etc .........ok that's sense out the way and as every one else will chip in with 2019 bikes are sooooo much better than the 2017 GG as to make them essential to the first time rider its a no brainer. So that sorts the problem....A 2019 Scorpa it is !......... @nhuskys changed from GasGas 125 to a Scorpa 125 and likes the Scorpa better and he is a 125 specialist so knows things. Enjoy your new Repsol 260. Edited January 18, 2019 by oni nou 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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