Folk can bleat all they like about how unfair it is, but it is what it is and people need to forget the modern "it's all about me" ethos and respect that for the greater good. Every year articles have to appear about this. It's not like it's a new thing.

1 hour ago, johnnyboxer said:

So to play Devil's advocate, on that basis - your garden and all the land surrounding your house should have public access too?

 

It does have full public access, we all have a right to roam in Scotland, in case you've forgot that.

Lets go round to Cabbys andhave a trial in his garden?

There's only my patio to challenge you, and even I can clean that. 

26 minutes ago, cabby said:

...we all have a right to roam in Scotland, in case you've forgot that.

Not on a motorbike you don't.

Edited April 27, 20179 yr by cleanorbust

The first sentence of government guidance on access rights states "Part 1 of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 there is a right of responsible non-motorised access"

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Environment/Countryside/16328/Accessrights

We all care a lot about our sport & yes, it is a minority sport with little public exposure & yes, we are branded 'bikers' with what ever other label you wish to add however :

If we want to continue to enjoy the sport whether as a spectator or participant then we have to respect the landowners and seek permission whether as a club for an event or for a quick hour practise on an afternoon when no-one else is around or for when my "14 year old only wants to practice a little". If we don't get permission then the land we currently use will diminish through the selfish few.

The SSDT, Pre65 are historic events as are many trials throughout the UK. Abuse, harsh word but fair, of land & landowners will have an effect on events in the future.

Imagine the Friday route on the 6 day with limited access. A lovely, 80mile scenic route for both rider & spectators being limited to one or two groups of sections ???? Entries will drop, spectators will drop (as parking becomes a problem !) and then what happens ??

DON'T DO IT

PS : as a footnote, anyone who parks to spectate, support a rider or indeed to talk to our other fellow trials friends at sections should try and be considerate. so what if you have to walk for 15 minutes to get to the section, enjoy the fresh air and little bit of exercise.

 

PPS : right, I'm off to pack for 9 days holiday - from wellies to sun-cream with lashings of avon skin-so-soft

 

 

 

Edited April 27, 20179 yr by apexmetrology

You do in my garden 

It's not just landowners. From one of the numerous previous articles on this subject:

Scottish National Heritage issue consent to the club on the basis that the level of activity created by the SSDT each year is sustainable for the habitats for which the sites are designated. Additional activity is likely to lead to an unsustainable level of use, especially when this is spread throughout the year as it prevents habitats recovering.

Unconsented activity leaves the landowner or the person undertaking the activity open to prosecution for damage. This is a criminal offence under the Nature Conservation (Scotland) Act 2004 (as amended) and carries financial penalties of up to £40,000. Use of a vehicle except on a dedicated, built vehicle track would constitute an operation requiring consent on any of the local designated sites with habitat features.

Vehicular access to private land also requires the permission of the landowner. Any motorised activity without landowner's permission constitutes an offence (trespass) and is not permitted under the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003.

A number of the areas used are also SSSIs (Sites of Special Scientific Interest). Details on them here where it clearly states "It is an offence for any person to intentionally or recklessly damage the protected natural features of an SSSI. "

Its time to rise up and defy this imperialism. If we all took a stance to ride where we wanted and had the balls to fight back we'd be free to ride like the walkers walk, and believe me they are a fecking nuisance at times. 

1 hour ago, andy said:

Folk can bleat all they like about how unfair it is, but it is what it is and people need to forget the modern "it's all about me" ethos and respect that for the greater good. Every year articles have to appear about this. It's not like it's a new thing.

Well said Andy, using land without permission is illegal...................end of!!!

Don't like it, suck it up and go spend £100k of your own money on a wood, to practice in

12 minutes ago, cabby said:

Its time to rise up and defy this imperialism. If we all took a stance to ride where we wanted and had the balls to fight back we'd be free to ride like the walkers walk, and believe me they are a fecking nuisance at times.  in jail.

Corrected your spelling for you.

1 hour ago, cabby said:

It does have full public access, we all have a right to roam in Scotland, in case you've forgot that.

On foot only though, did you conveniently forget that

 

Can I have the right to roam on foot.......... around your gaff

 

I can't see why you are sticking up for illegal trials practising (without a landowner's permission) as it harms our Sport no end

49 minutes ago, andy said:

It's not just landowners. From one of the numerous previous articles on this subject:

Scottish National Heritage issue consent to the club on the basis that the level of activity created by the SSDT each year is sustainable for the habitats for which the sites are designated. Additional activity is likely to lead to an unsustainable level of use, especially when this is spread throughout the year as it prevents habitats recovering.

Unconsented activity leaves the landowner or the person undertaking the activity open to prosecution for damage. This is a criminal offence under the Nature Conservation (Scotland) Act 2004 (as amended) and carries financial penalties of up to £40,000. Use of a vehicle except on a dedicated, built vehicle track would constitute an operation requiring consent on any of the local designated sites with habitat features.

Vehicular access to private land also requires the permission of the landowner. Any motorised activity without landowner's permission constitutes an offence (trespass) and is not permitted under the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003.

A number of the areas used are also SSSIs (Sites of Special Scientific Interest). Details on them here where it clearly states "It is an offence for any person to intentionally or recklessly damage the protected natural features of an SSSI. "

Brilliant, this is the reason why and respect the landowners responsibilities too

19 minutes ago, cabby said:

Its time to rise up and defy this imperialism. If we all took a stance to ride where we wanted and had the balls to fight back we'd be free to ride like the walkers walk, and believe me they are a fecking nuisance at times. 

You first then, we'll visit you in gaol

Edited April 27, 20179 yr by johnnyboxer

I'm off illegal riding at the weekend, up some glen where a simple nod and a hello is always well appreciated