Hi, Thabk you, im probably going to get a new 1 so i dont have to buy another for a few years at least, I hear what your saying with preferences, been advised away from Montesa, and the sherco seam to be a favourite at the club my kids go to, ive also been told that some bikes mapping help the rider, too confusing looking at each website, i do like the look of the Vertigo and beta best though if looks were everything