December 24, 201312 yr Author Braw !!!!!!,a thing of beauty .Thanks for posting the foti. cheers the noo Brian
December 25, 201312 yr Hi Guys, Firstly, Happy Christmas 2013. OK. You know how I feel about this frame concept!!! And I still think , if you want to build a Classic sounding and looking British bike this is the route to take! You can still buy the Faber Otter copies of this machine, Or you can build your own frame ? Has many have done around the world. Just check out the BSA Otter web site for information , this is what I started it for. Go on make 2014 an Otter building year. Any way a happy New year as well, Keep on Classic Trialing on a BSA Otter. Regards Charlie, www.bsaotter.com.
December 25, 201312 yr Hi, Here is an image of what was considered, in its day, to be the ultimate BSA C15T, Scott Ellis with his heavily modified BOK 228C, photographed by Alan Vines in the 1969 Kickham Trial. As ever, enjoy. Just shows how far we have moved on ...................... thank god
December 25, 201312 yr Just shows how far we have moved on ...................... thank god What I was thinking.......
December 26, 201312 yr Hi Guys. Moved on where???? This was a Classic trials bike. Without the Fiddle bits. You are winding me up Yea???? Best Regards Guys Charlie.
December 26, 201312 yr Hi Guys. Moved on where???? This was a Classic trials bike. Without the Fiddle bits. You are winding me up Yea???? Best Regards Guys Charlie. That was then, things have moved on. Otters,Fabers, Mills, etc etc . Not a wind up Charlie. Hows the trick Bantam coming on ?? Edited December 26, 201312 yr by andy m
December 26, 201312 yr the scott ellis bike is a beaut.....can't believe there's not a classic brit fan that wouldn't want to have one.
December 26, 201312 yr the scott ellis bike is a beaut.....can't believe there's not a classic brit fan that wouldn't want to have one. Perhaps in it's era but I cant help looking at it and wanting to attack it with an angle grinder and a welder. Just me I suppose it just looks so basic like a home brewed lash up compared to todays creations. Now THEY are a work of art. then again horses for courses. Think I can hear the mob with the torches coming down the lane to burn me at the stake
December 26, 201312 yr Hi Guys. OTF, what would you attack with a four inch grinder????? The front part of the frame was not a metals itches masterpiece ! But it worked ,we know the steering angle was long, but with BSA forks and the nature of the sections then, again it worked! Then look at GOV. The sub frame was. Triumph Cub nothing more nothing less! Probably in Scott's shed at the time so he used it, along with the sports Cub swinging arm. Hubs! Bsa /Triumph works standard issue. The engine unit was Peppy ,and lasted about six months, and we know experimental barrels ,cam wheels etc were shipped in from the USA . Nothing else that you could not buy at the time. We know modern bikes grip better etc, with specifically made frames and engine units has I witnessed today at Ufton. But the BSA and Enfield brigade, bikes sounded better, by far, and got the most interest from the general public there. But you have heard it all before from me. And you know I am not afraid to experiment with different bike projects. Regards Charlie. Www.bsaotter.com
December 26, 201312 yr Charlie as I said it's an era thing. We ride different stuff to what they rode then and we know a LOT more about how to make a bike work than they did then plus even your average Joe public has equipment in his shed that only specialists did back then so would be easy to improve, first thing to go would be that god awful seat, but the bike was fine for the period I suppose but I bet a Bultaco would run rings round it even then. You know me Charlie I don't give a monkeys about history but I understand that some guys do. Just my humble two pennorth and FWIW I cant think of much I would keep apart from some of the engine bits because just about everything else can be improved on. But and it's a BIG but that was then and this is now. If I was building one NOW I wouldn't bother looking at that bike other than to remind me how far we have come since those dark days when the world was all black and white. If anybody has built one that's a replica of bikes of that period and it floats your boat then good luck to you. The beauty to me of Classic Trials is that we can now do what we ALL wanted to do back then and improve the breed as much and as frequently as we are humanly able to. Merry Christmas Charlie we both love our sport but from a different perspective.
December 27, 201312 yr Hi Guys. No prob OTF, Happy new year Mate. Broony I bet you love that bike to bits. If we did not have this Pre 65 Scottish thing, It would be interesting to see what frames etc would get conjured up around a period British Unit bike engine BSA etc, but then at the end of the day it would probably look like a Mick Mills frame with a slightly lower seat , and could be different back suspension???? But you probably would not get a better ride than the original MM frame? And that bike had a large seat has standard. Regards Charlie.
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