neils on wheels Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Something that will surprise/shock KTM and BMW? A factory built trials outfit, pairing the new bike with a kids pram. Nice business synergy for Manel Jane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neils on wheels Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I have read that Vertigo are basing their plans on a production capacity of ten bikes per day. If this operates at full capacity it would equate to a global market share of around 25% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I have read that Vertigo are basing their plans on a production capacity of ten bikes per day. If this operates at full capacity it would equate to a global market share of around 25% 2500 bikes and this is just a quarter of the market ? So obviously, someone puts the market at 10,000 bikes per annum ! I certainly don't feel it is anywhere like that high. Where is the data to support that please? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neils on wheels Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 2500 bikes and this is just a quarter of the market ? So obviously, someone puts the market at 10,000 bikes per annum ! I certainly don't feel it is anywhere like that high. Where is the data to support that please?TMX article today quotes 10 bikes per day. 225 working days per year = 2,250 bikes p.a.Todo trial recently published survey puts the market at 8,000 bikes. 2,250 represents 28% of 8,000; hence around 25% based on the two published sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 TMX article today quotes 10 bikes per day. 225 working days per year = 2,250 bikes p.a. Todo trial recently published survey puts the market at 8,000 bikes. 2,250 represents 28% of 8,000; hence around 25% based on the two published sources. Thanks for that 8000 bikes a year puts the trials market at around £45 Million! and with clothes etc , That must up it to £50 Million+ ! Who said there wasn't any money in trials ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neils on wheels Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Thanks for that 8000 bikes a year puts the trials market at around £45 Million! and with clothes etc , That must up it to £50 Million+ ! Who said there wasn't any money in trials ? There can often be a discrepancy between production capacity & market size. The automotive sector suffered from this for many years, possibly still does, but it's fifteen years since I've worked in that sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axulsuv Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Supply and Demand .... one of the black arts that must be mastered !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazybond700 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Thanks for that 8000 bikes a year puts the trials market at around £45 Million! and with clothes etc , That must up it to £50 Million+ ! Who said there wasn't any money in trials ? I think you forget parts for all 8000 bikes a year sold in the past! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I think you forget parts for all 8000 bikes a year sold in the past! Absolutely ! -- I am still struggling with the idea that 8000 trials bikes are sold worldwide per year though! I would have put it nearer to 3 - 4000 as a guess ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collyolly Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Evan at 8000 units per year it still makes you ask how do all of these factories make enough to survive. Anyone care to guess how much profit there is per bike from a manufacturers point of view ? If Vertigo build 10 bikes per day they must expect to make a lot to cover the design / tooling and I imagine a full factory team for the coming year, it has been discussed on another thread 'what do you think the top riders earn ?' Well they need to move more than 10 bikes a day to cover some peoples guess at the salaries paid ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_t Posted October 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) It seems to me you have to be independently wealthy to even consider getting into the business of trials... small salaries, small profit, huge amount of pride and fun in producing a winning machine (it isn't always about the money although nobody likes to take a loss. Seems some of these guys might just be in it to prove they can build a better bike. If I was really rich I might give it a go myself Edited October 16, 2015 by michael_t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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collyolly Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) These production numbers probably justify Honda apparently building the whole years production in one go then storing the bikes and drip feeding the market. It would also explain Hondas inflated pricing structure as no matter what the 'quality build' fanatics say, their bikes do not cost £1000 more to build especially if built in one huge batch. What I mean is there is not enough margin for a large business like Honda in the more normal £5500 price range. Edited October 17, 2015 by collyolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazybond700 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 It seems to me you have to be independently wealthy to even consider getting into the business of trials... small salaries, small profit, huge amount of pride and fun in producing a winning machine (it isn't always about the money although nobody likes to take a loss. Seems some of these guys might just be in it to prove they can build a better bike. If I was really rich I might give it a go myself At the end the only thing that shareholders want is money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 TMX article today quotes 10 bikes per day. 225 working days per year = 2,250 bikes p.a. Todo trial recently published survey puts the market at 8,000 bikes. 2,250 represents 28% of 8,000; hence around 25% based on the two published sources. Spanish take august off dont forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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