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[hidezertdoug]

Well It's time for my first oil/filter change on my 06 monty4rt and I was looking for some tips on the filter change with the gasket and all,as I'm used to my Ktms and it's a little different ballgame.I'm sure it's a piece of cake,however any tips suggestions before I get into it would be great,as I don't want to jack up that case gasket or anything else.Thanks in advance HDD

[The Addict]

You'll probably need to change the gasket mate, not expensive and worth doing. Make sure beyond anything else the filter goes in the correct way or it will turn out to be a very expensive bit of maintenance. Ralph did his a while ago and it was easy just follow the manual word for word, did mine soon after and easy. Little tip cable tie the cover so it hangs out the way and doesnt put pressure on the wires, check the oil level after a few hours as the filter sucks up a fair bit.
Dont forget to clean the credit card type filter as well bottom of the crankcase

Edited by The Addict, 27 December 2008 - 07:34 PM.

[jimmyl]

Once filter is loose it is a real fiddle to get it past the flywheel but keep playing and it will pop out.

Make sure you sit the filter back in its housing perfectly before tightening the retaining clip, otherwise the spigot on the cover is out of alignment and won't fit into cover.

A spot of grease can help hold the spring into the filter when reinstalling it

[Paul13]

Just done mine today for first time its simple new gasket was just over 3pound filter was just a tenner for genuine.It is fiddly to get past the flywheel but replacing it was easy I used greese on the spring to hold it in place and oiled orings(I used new here alsobut sure you could reuse them) the big one you need to make sure it goes in square and dosnt pinch.I also had to lower my bashplate to help remove the sidecase hope it helps you

[hidezertdoug]

Thanks guys for the tips,like I said I'm sure it's a easy change out,but just wanted to hear from the guys that have the 4rt as access to the oil filter is a bit unusual compared to most bikes
My checklist that Ive learned today
1.replace existing gasket with new one.
2.Be careful upon replacement of filter that it seats squarely and is properly installed to match existing filter.
3.Flywheel can be a pain in the a#@ when extracting existing oil filter to pass bye it.
4. grease spring on the filter to hold in place.

questions
1.does new case gasket need sealant or dry?
2.is dissconnect neccessary of alt and ignition wires?
3. specs torque of case bolts?
4. man all this to change the bloody filter,geez
Any other tips?

[The Addict]

Did my gasket dry, there are clever little tags to hold it in place when putting it back on but check the seal after running it first time. Dont think I disconnected any wires to be honest just hung the case etc up with a cable tie. Case bolts didnt torque, if you feel one pushing out ya a*** your too tight, Ive only changed my filter once this year and its a 15 min job so no hardship, and I'm known for getting out on the bike once in a while

[hidezertdoug]

The Addict, on Dec 28 2008, 09:30 AM, said:

Did my gasket dry, there are clever little tags to hold it in place when putting it back on but check the seal after running it first time. Dont think I disconnected any wires to be honest just hung the case etc up with a cable tie. Case bolts didnt torque, if you feel one pushing out ya a*** your too tight, Ive only changed my filter once this year and its a 15 min job so no hardship, and I'm known for getting out on the bike once in a while

Thanks for the info addict,I'm gonna attack this shortly!

[The Addict]

Theres a small plate that holds the filter in place,little rectangle thing if i remember, make sure it goes back in the right place so look before you undue it to take the filter out, the filter 1 st time seems it will impossible to get out but a little twist and it frees no probs

[hidezertdoug]

Well everything was going fine until I started to remove existing gasket the bloody thing seems like it was glued or just the heat welded it on! Any suggeestions on how get rid of the old gasket without damaging edge of cases cleanly,man what a pissoff this could take some time.I'm about 1/2 way off,but the remaining half is a #$%&^ to get off, and how clean do you actually need it to be to recieve new gasket.Just looking for an easy removal without damage to the edge of the case,Man I wish I had longer fingernails.Thanks

[The Addict]

mine for the most part came off easy, try a stanley blade to scrape it off, maybe a little oil on it as you go,
Just think you wont have to do it for months again

Edited by The Addict, 28 December 2008 - 07:57 PM.

[hidezertdoug]

The Addict, on Dec 28 2008, 11:54 AM, said:

mine for the most part came off easy, try a stanley blade to scrape it off, maybe a little oil on it as you go,
Just think you wont have to do it for months again

Yep that was the ticket,however a bit of a battle,but I think I won the war.With that being said geez Could'nt honda put the frigging filter in a more accessable place for crying out loud.Also the oil cap hole could they make that any smaller.Well my KTMs oil changes are looking like nuthing now!Anyone else have the problem of the old gasket being a pain in the %$# to remove?Almost enough to make me start drinking,but I'm on antibiotics after ear surgery so I'll take a raincheck on that for next week!

[hidezertdoug]

Well the oil change was smooth except for the old gasket that was stuck like a mother f^&%$# which took my oil change into 2hr plus ordeal,but after careful blade work it was off,however a battle in a half.The use of the zip ty was really handy to hang the case temporarily from the frame while working on filter etc which eliminates the disconnect of stator wires which is cool.Another thing I shoulda done was lightly grease the new gasket both sides so the bugger wont get so stuck next time around,next time!Also a real skinny funnel comes in handy for putting new oil in the case as the oil dipstick/filler hole is dang small?Well it's behind me now and like I said before my KTMs oil change's are a piece of cake now compared to the Monty.Thanks again for your tips guys appreciate it

[oz thumper]

Also a real skinny funnel comes in handy for putting new oil in the case as the oil dipstick/filler hole is dang small?

It is a bit easier to use the timing inspection hole to add the oil with the dipstick removed to let the air out.

[for artie]

Loctite makes a gasket removal spray. Makes the job easier.

[hidezertdoug]

for artie, on Jan 10 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

Loctite makes a gasket removal spray. Makes the job easier.

Man wish I would of known that when I got into it,I'm gonna look into that!Also the timing inspection hole would be a good idea as well to add the oil,Thanks again!