well, the initial experiences with this bike has sure been all over the map!!
personally...I've never had such a trouble free bike!!
far better than any carburated bike I've had.....until last week!
she just refused to start .....figured I'd try a new spark plug...kicked a few times no luck...so I cranked up the idle screw...took a torch to the spark plug to burn off unburnt fuel, and bingo!!!started right away!!!
I'm keeping the idle up to 1900 ........starts much better!!
there are many discussions on this forum on same topic..read them all , you'll find lotsa solutions ....main thing...start in neutral!!!!!!
first of all ...howard, where did you get the fast actions and what are they called??
second, I 've installed a throttle from a 315 ...I like it, it does seem faster action, but was not sold to me as such.......maybe some monresa dealers out there know the difference ...........................masso
most of the guys have said it right!!!....start in neutral!!!
but they failed to mention just how IMPOSSIBLE it is to get the damned thing into neutral!!.....you'd think the world's most high-tech trials bike would get easily into neutral.!!....I have been able to start mine in gear, by replacing clutch system with the 315 lever/master cylinder unit...and running automatic transmission fluid in the gear box...been hearing rumblings about a MITANI clutch....this may be interesting!!
also boost your idle a tad.this really helps
also, check aircleaner for a greasy,oily goop clogging up the filter, clean it .....let the thing breath !.......if still having trouble...try racing gas ..............good luck ....masso
I too have suffered from the dreaded clutch drag on my 4rt....tried many 75 light oils,,,,,,so far have been having best results with automatic transmission oil ......I also change the oil every 2 or three times out ...............masso
I remember the first time I took my air cleaner out..jeez, it was full of some greasy goop!...I don't know how the thing ran!
so, I quickly cleaned it out, the thing came to life!..still not happy with that ultra dense foam, I've put my old 315 air cleaner in and the thing runs great!
far more responsive and revs out better!
the better breathing foam also increases the idle..which I have left that way
this helps with starting and probably does give me a stronger spark........masso
Although I don't own a 4RT yet I do get to watch a very good very technical rider every weekend. When he first got his 4RT he rode it like it was a two stroke. He blipped the throttle constantly and used lots of clutch. As he is very analytical about his riding he has adopted a style in which he rides very smoothly. With the 4RT he can wait until the last moment to apply power. He applies power smoothly and doesn
I've had mine since february, so have had lotsa time to get a feel for the bike
changed clutch/master cylinder last week.....would not go back also changed the rear sproket to a 43..I love it!..makes the bike feel like my 315...more snappier ,quicker response...but I also liked it stock....so, only time will tell....may go back to stock ....this is all personal taste stuff of course...
let us know how you feel about the bike after a few hours .................masso
I have this problem on June 05, my first use was end Dec 04, I did re-adjust the clutch lever push rod and change the clutch oil with recommended grade, it is better now.
I catch your problem, I do not often change the clutch oil, that is the first time, I missed to tell that I hold the clutch lever to get neutral when engine stalled.
ahhh...yes, will try that next time I'm out ...I don't hold clutch in , when engine dead.....try it this weeekend ..also, getting 315 clutch unit installed this weekend .....massso
The 4rt does seem difficult to get into neutral. I asked about this, and was told that it was designed that way so as not to miss any shifts. I've owned over 30 motorcycles in my life, and had very few problems finding neutral, or missing shifts. Having said that, it really doesn't bother me. I usually just put it into neutral when I shut off the engine, otherwise I hold in the clutch or spend a second with the engine running fishing around.
Have the same problem with neutral and also notchy gear shifting to other gears.
Have old style master cylinder(which I like for better clutch action) and have tried different oils etc. and still hard to find neutral.
I usually blip throttle and as engine revs down it is easier to find neutral.
Trans seems to shift worse than when new but I havent looked for any problems.
On smooth ground it doesnt appear that the clutch is dragging at all so I think I have eliminated that as a possibility.
I can live with this problem since I love the rest of the bike but I would hope that all 4rts are not like this since the quality of the Honda motor I think is second to none.
I have this problem on June 05, my first use was end Dec 04, I did re-adjust the clutch lever push rod and change the clutch oil with recommended grade, it is better now.
yea i used a fast action when i had my 4RT, made the bike react quicker (duh!) which is necessary on those things, but you did have to keep over the back a bit more as it likes to spin.
I broke my throttle unit a few weeks into the new bike.
I'd never owned any bike brand new before..didn't realize its wise to tighten all bolts and screws...so, got a 315 unit installed, I like it , its a bit ''quicker'' than stock
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dude....you have a 4rt AND a sherco??....what,did you just win the lottery ??
43 rear tooth is best.
315 aircleaner is better than stock filter
and keep tickover up there...1900 is fine...will start better