Maybe it's a Midland & Western Centre thing, but I do see a lot more TRSs about than Vertigos. TRS seems to be the only new entrant that has captured much market share from what I can see, but I do not have any statistics to back up this impression.
The price difference between TRS and Vertigo could account for the difference. And I think that TRS is taking a substantial part of the GasGas market.
And then there is the common belief that a trials bike with carburator is much more reliable...
On the looks of the Vertical R: JSP made a good point as the yellow fork hurts my eyes as well.
Hi Tcrhino , where did you buy this part please and was it easy to fit ??
My dealer -and Vertigo importer for The Netherlands- (Nonstopmotoren.com) sourced the part from S3. Dealer did the installation and I watched how it was done.
Installation was a bit fiddly because the fan housing is blocking one of the head bolts. Easiest would be to remove the radiator and fan (water is out anyway), but the mechanic managed to do it by only removing the fan. Using new o-rings is important as is applying the correct torque to the head bolts.
With a bit of patience and the proper tools it's possible to do yourself.
There is an option to plan a short holiday from June 22 till June 30 and watch TWO TrialGP's, first one in the Netherlands and in the next in Belgium. Both locations are 170 miles apart...
I believe increase in compression = greater engine efficiency. with the result as u notice increase in idle and fewer flameouts. I was reading an article a few years ago about direct injection in modern automobile engines creating an opportunity to raise compression, with the goal of increasing mileage as well as horsepower. I could be wrong as im no expert. just my opinion.
Maxwell
To me that makes sense (no expert as well). Same throttle position (closed) and same fuel injection (no other map), but increased idle means more efficient use of the available air/fuel mixture...
You are completely changing one part of the combustion equation - something is bound to be affected, in this case the lower end of the "carburetion". Presumably the ECU needs to be told that the compression has changed?
According to the dealer remapping of the ECU wasn't required. It does run really great with the high compression insert.
BTW: the higher idle doesn't bother me at all.
Last week I had a high compression cylinder head insert installed on my 250 (S3 insert). Compared it with a standard 250 of the same year (at the dealer's) and it feels much stronger and runs cleaner. So very happy with the result. The high compression is noticeable when starting, but it still starts with the first kick warm, three when cold.
Strange thing is that the idle went up. Stalling it now is almost impossible, but clutch control needs some adaption.
Any thoughts how idle can increase by a high compression insert?
Not that difficult. The rocker arm needs to be removed and of course the top shock bolt (under the ECU). Removing both triangles (left and right) makes it all a bit easier.
Last time reassembling I mounted the triangles with the swingarm sleeves and bolts, but without the swingarm, to line-out the bolts for the swingarm (does that make sense?)
By doing so it makes fitting the swingarm sleeves and bolts a lot less fiddly.
Checking makes good sense after every few rides.
Regarding suspension: had my rear shock serviced a few weeks ago by Reiger. Slightly heavier spring (78 kilo) and other shims makes the bike a bit more nimble.
(In case you are wondering: I forgot to note the specs of the new spring..)
Would be great if Vertigo would offer the possibility to configure your own bike. Things like bars, forks, wheels, exhaust (Ti/Steel), triple clamps all have same fit and are mostly inter-changeable (with limited choices of course). Similar with the configuration of a car.
Did you get this sorted?? If Not Chris is hoping to be at the next West Leeds Trial so it might be worth a chat. As for the DL12 it's a bike to do the Scott and Scottish. The Farjardo is a bike suited to more Modern Trials and designed to react. The Engine is pretty much spot on for most trials on a weekend. We do know of a few people who have the DL12 but they are altering the engine to be more "Fajardo".
That's interesting... Ik know that the dog-bone is different on recent models, but I didn't know that engine characteristics are that different.
@Telecat: do you know what is altered? Different mapping only or changes to exhaust, butterfly and reeds as well. Regarding butterfly: my last Ossa had a 15 degree butterfly, that made throttle response more direct ('more snappy').
Mine started weeping two weeks ago (first issue with the Vertigo). The advice above was spot on: the primary shaft cover was the culprit. Removed and cleaned the parts and reassembled with some Hylomar blue. Still good after three rides.
Thats what made me go for the TRS, so easy to work on and well made. I have only ridden the 250 and decided to go for a 300 secondhand from Johnlee ,couldn't be more pleased with the bike and the service from them. The vertigo in my opinion is too expensive and seems to be having a lot of problems.
Like jonnyc21 said: ride as many as you can.
I used my Vertigo every weekend during the last year and didn't have any problems. And no need to clean carbs...
Is there any modification required to install them?
thanks,
phil
Bought a new bike, but... the Ossa I had is still on its original front wheel bearings. Some weeks ago during practice I met the guy that bought my Ossa. Told him what I modified / added to the bike. The nilos rings were still in place and the bearings felt good (of course we didn't check the bearings...).
Curious as to why the one frame triangle is open and the other with the fuel tank isn't? I agree with you, need that visibility IMO. (Even though you can still see fuel level from the front of the triangle.)
All of the quality looks excellent though!!
Agreed on the visibility of the fuel level. And the left triangle protector can be opened fairly easy with a Dremel.
Had a look at the carbon... Seems useless to cover the exhaust protectors. and why cover the tank? In that way it will be more difficult to keep an eye on the fuel level. Flywheel and clutch covers look good though.
" I'm thinking of fitting a one way valve like people
have to vent there petrol tanks as I have a couple kicking about the garage "
Which way would you fit it - one way as the engine gets warm air will go out - when it cools you would get a vacuum
If the other way then you hot couldn't get out and would suck water in .
Maybe a longer pipe if going higher than air box inlet might work like an upside down u bend??
In the original setup the breather sits low in the air box under the filter. Re-rout it to a higher point in the air box could be an easy fix (assuming that the breather causes the milky oil...)
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The price difference between TRS and Vertigo could account for the difference. And I think that TRS is taking a substantial part of the GasGas market.
And then there is the common belief that a trials bike with carburator is much more reliable...
On the looks of the Vertical R: JSP made a good point as the yellow fork hurts my eyes as well.