My point is that gelabert and farre didnt hang around in trial2 to win it, they moved up because they thought they should. Now they have jumped the two guys that stayed behind to win it. Its not a theory
You're now classed as an expert rider? I feel pleased for you
I’m not sure why, many are, but they understand the sport. Mr Champion in his country, try stating facts rather than pointless fiction. Maybe in future be more critical about your own abilities rather than slagging others off.
Dont know what that has to do with it, but i am national champion in my country. Yourself?
Well that says everything. Another keyboard warrior.
The point – based on your theory, if everybody isn’t riding the top level course their trophy hunting. Jack Price wins Trial2 – moves up, Irwin won this year – unknown at this time. It’s clear you don’t understand the jump in level between the two routes. You normally move up routes when you win the course you’re riding. Personally I’ve done that myself and now classified expert by the ACU for many years, having ridden British youth and adult when I was younger.
Insulting? Gelabert/farre/price/roberts were all much of a muchness a couple of years back, with farre probably being the weakest and roberts the strongest. The two spaniards moved up (neither winning trial2) while the 2 brits stayed down, to win trial2. Now look at how they score! Its not insulting its telling it as it is.
And did you look at the first two rounds? He got beaten by guys who arent on the world circuit, some (with no disprespect) who arent even close to being on the world circuit while at venues with terrain you wouldnt get much of in Spain. He finished 6th one week, and 10th the next at a british round. 10th!!!!!
That was collyolly's point about other riders shining on different terrain
Tong IMO is a pathetic attempt at a british rnd
31 minutes ago, micm said:
Casales came to Butser Limeworks with John Lampkin as we set out the BTC sections, although he did not get on a bike that day. At the event itself especially on the first lap he had a fair bit of trouble with our going. At first he seemed to find riding the chalk and beech tree root strewn cambers pretty hard where the local riders like say Sam Hallam were clearly much better. He visibly improved as the trial progressed.
The Spanish take motor sport seriously and they give it cultural bling and I guess they think its cool. On the other hand here in the UK the establishment seems to only tolerate it maybe because there are no horses, sailing boats or oars.
Do you win every round you ride faussy? Any?
Clear that he improved no end during the season, but to say the British lads gave him a wooping isn’t fair.
Agreed with oni nou, if I could choose I would prefer stop allowed, it enables you to go bigger and harder in competition. But most riders in the UK don’t seem to want this.
4 hours ago, faussy said:
You need to watch more highlights of last years world round, around half are proper 100% natural muddy hill goodness
I agree with most of this, but the reason we have a lot of british winners is because they are too interested in winning it instead of moving up. Gelabert/Price, Farre/Roberts are a perfect example.
Bou was too busy frying bigger fish to even bother with the junior world cup let alone win it
Interested to see how long peace and martyn waste trying to win it
Can’t disagree more, it’s insulting to even think that about the Brits, to make this level they have given plenty of ‘easy wins’ away by moving up class after class
AMEN!!!!!! A lot of the outdoors are just becoming another outdoor indoor trial. Japan is one of the few that survives. Its more british than the british round!!!!
Also remember a "rather good" spanish rider rode the BTC a couple of years back, including the buster limeworks, and got a "rather good" whooping He finished 10th at the limeworks!!!!
Do you mean Casales? Looks like he did well to me if so -
Why do our rounds of the world championship have to copy the rest, what's wrong with slippery cambers and big muddy climbs, best UK world round I went to was Butser Lime works in Petersfield when Steve Saunders showed the jolly foreigners how to ride a bike.
When trials goes back to its roots and forgets big grippy rocks in the sun then other riders may be allowed to shine.
Remember when the world championship had rounds in Northern Europe in the cold and snow, bet no one would be wearing one piece Lycra in those conditions.
My view is that it wouldn’t be hard enough if it was solely muddy climbs and cambers. Did you go to Tong the past years? Did you see the waterfall group of sections? They were muddy climbs etc..
I think at clubman level it's the worse motorcycle sport to watch, dull, I think the x-games is a circus with performing monkeys, very skillful performing monkeys granted, the ssdt and Scott are a very good watch, as for the outdoor worlds, I booked to attend two of next years series, so should be good, but you wouldn't catch me opening my curtains if the indoor was playing out in my garden.
What don’t you like about the indoor series? Have you never liked indoor?
From my prospective I find it more enjoyable and technically superior to outdoor, especially due to the fact you can analyse all the riders (taking it in turns), comparing their techniques to others. It’s just a shame the UK doesn’t have any domestic indoor venues so the local lads can improve their riding outside of major competition.
Andy – Who should we enquire to/Push as individuals regarding a 2019 UK indoor world event? Is it for the ACU to bid, or does it all sit with the FIM and promoter?
And what is my view point? I'll tell you, to be supportive of any sponsor or series to my/your sport.
I agree it would be nice to watch all the rounds on youtube, even live online, but please point me to the sponsor knocking down doors to allow this? The world runs on money unfortunately, this means the events key objective isn’t to show people who haven’t walked through their doors the event. In trials terms its often local business/shops just supporting local culture and people, which means showing a banner online to people in the USA with a local insurance firm, or local trials shop isn’t even on the radar.
And to be brutally honest, negativity within the scene is killing trials. Especially on the internet, give somebody a keyboard and they are better business men than Bill Gates, better investors than Warren Buffett, better sections setters than Martin Lampkin and better riders than Toni Bou.
Who wants to watch an Indoor trial, even travel 1,000 of miles to watch it live when somebody on the internet said it ‘Sucks’
The community needs to be supportive and not negative all the time, the Spanish are showing us up in more ways than one. Be supportive, travel, and maybe that supporter will knock the doors down in years to come. Let’s face it, we all should be going out and buying Beta’s to support James Babill, give him some negotiating power when it comes to next year.
And just to drive my point home, as you guys have noted, TVfim did show the riding online, but stopped, something wasn’t working.
By the way, I don't buy that at all. First off, I don't have to respect something simply because it exists. Not providing content online these days is generally foolish (F1 anybody?). If you want to charge for it, well and good, at least it's still available (yay Dorna and MotoGP!). But not providing it in any fashion, for a sport that doesn't have any TV coverage in most cases, makes zero sense from any angle you want to look at it. Who exactly would lose out on the indoor series being streamed? The local promoter? Please. If the scale you're concerned with is a few hundred people in a tiny stadium, you've totally missed the boat. Like I said, the trials community is global, people want access to content. Not providing it at all is no different than providing it for free, the exception being you're doing nothing to promote and everything to kill the sport by keeping it locked in a closet. Step one, provide the content. Build the audience with a good product. Start charging when you're confident people will want to stick around to see it.
More pointless typing. You now have the capability to go and watch live or not.
If you still don’t like it at this point get a loan/mortgage the house/etc and as you know what you are doing be next year’s major sponsor.
The current people are doing a grand job and the sections looked fantastic, can’t wait to see it live.
It would be nice to have it on youtube like TrialGP, but based on youtube advertising it isn't worth it -
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I'm just pleased and thankful that the FIM and 2play are supporting these events, hopefully I'm doing my part also attending two of them. And I'm sure as usual youtube videos will follow in the coming months for general coverage.
And? A couple highlight reels isn't gonna cut it (at least with me). I should point out I'd be happy to do what I do with MotoGP: stream all the events live, offer some pre and post race commentary, and I'll pay you a yearly subscription fee.
And?!? It’s a link to the official media source that I assumed was far too hard and onerous for you to find before bashing on your keyboard.
That’s it; just complain about somebody else’s hard work. Why not be supportive of any advertising or support others bring to the sport of trials.
Why don’t they just stream the event? Because the business model they decided upon when providing the financial stimulus to the series didn’t warrant giving the media away for free, respect it.
This forum is just becoming a place for people to do nothing but complain about others that keep the sport alive. If you want to see it, get yourself to an airport and support it, better yet turn your phone on when there and stream it for all your mates.
So, Dougie isn't at the top level of national competition skill-wise?
Obviously he is, he's an ex world champion. But if he rode 6 top national events, such the British Championship and S3, he would lose more than 1. Understand my statement; the trial isn't set to be at top national level, its set to be a top national endurance event for both rider and bike. Where, as shown by Ross Noble, beginners to the sport can finish.
Oh my, you're so right! I should drop everything I'm doing, because unless it's a grueling multi-day endurance test at the top national level it's completely pointless - what I thought I was really enjoying is actually boring, thank you for enlightening me!
Either that or I'm not a *real* trials rider, because I took up the hobby and am learning it. Real trials riders are born into it, all others are inferior and shouldn't have access to any events. And they certainly shouldn't try to encourage others to try the thing they love doing.
(some of the above might possibly be sarcasm)
Dougie lost 1, and all top 5 lost under 20 for all 6 days. This isn't at top national level, but is an endurance event.
If you are using a smart phone it sends you notifications based on sound and movement, providing a pre & post recording to view in the app. Good for when you're at work.
With technology now direct promotion in my eyes isn’t the problem. The hobby/sport needs to be a spectator sport; this means harder sections and better riders.
Have local events catering for this too rather than only the average clubman rider who doesn’t care about fitness/practicing, and the likes of Facebook/Instagram etc.. will do the promoting.
Far too many people who ‘ride trials’ don’t ride trials, they ride around in circles and make the usual excuses ‘it’s too dangerous/work in the morning’ for not improving and doing the hobby/sport justice.
He finished 10th at the limeworks!!!!
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