manz Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Bike's a 01 270 rev3, and the clutch is totally on/off. It barely slips, grabs instantly. It's very nice for steps, but (clubman) turns are a pain. The bike hasnt been ridden much. Using atf in the gearbox. Going to change that to elf htx740, and change the friction plates. Softer springs would be good? The clutch doesnt drag, nor slip. Adjusting the lever's position helps a bit, but not enough. So my bet would be getting a smaller master cylinder. But from where? Ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonsurge Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Sounds odd. Beta clutches are usually very good - certainly the best of any bike I've ridden and apart from an annoying reluctance to engage from cold that I'm currently wrestling with on my '03 250, I've had no clutch problems on any of my Betas. I'm pretty sure (although I'm prepared to be corrected on this) that a smaller master cylinder might actually make the problem worse. Lots of 4RT owners seem to be using the larger master cylinder from the Cota because they found the standard one to be too "grabby". Can't really comment on plates, springs etc. although I'll recommend that you give PJ1 Clutch Tuner gearbox oil a try as it certainly helped improve the clutch feel on my old GasGas and I've used it in all my bikes ever since. It's quite thin though and needs replacing often to give best performance. Have you tried replacing the fluid and/or bleeding the clutch actuator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkp Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I agree with neonsurge. It sounds like your clutch may not be completely dis-engaging in the first place. Any bubbles in the line can cause this problem - the fluid isn't compressable so displacement at the master cylinder piston equals displacement at the actuator. The bubbles are compressable so, if you have air in the system you don't get equal displacement at the actuator. Bleed the system from the actuator back up to the master cylinder if that's possible. I recently replaced the master cylinder plunger assembly in my 250 - BETA sells a complete kit for this. You may have slight seepage past the master cylinder seal... or just get a new bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manz Posted September 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 I recently replaced the master cylinder plunger assembly in my 250 - BETA sells a complete kit for this. You may have slight seepage past the master cylinder seal... or just get a new bike. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Funny thing is - talked to my dad yesterday evening.. he said "don't bother with the too grabby clutch. I bought a new bike " I don't see how fitting a bigger master cylinder would help against grabby movement, as then you'd have even more fluid moving with the same ammount of finger movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl ekblom Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 (edited) Compared to my 00 Gasgas my 04 Beta has a more on/off action of the clutch. I have changed gearbox oil from engine oil 0W-30 to gearbox oil 75W90 which I think is a slight improvement. Edited September 17, 2005 by Carl Ekblom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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