I recommended it in the Service Manual. The bearings are NOT being used in a high speed application, turn very little and usually only wear out because they are not lubricated. The big issue is water, the mixture of water proof grease and anti seize stays in place better than water proof grease alone. I and several others have used this mixture for years with great success.
YES! I am going to get a 3.2 4T, it will be one of the World Round Bikes from TN. Sherco is sending 4 over, Ryan gets the first pick (he will get Caby's bike if it stays here) and I will get my choice of the other three. I am supposed to pick it up at the WR on April 27th.
Ron, I hope that your recovery is going well. I have a deal cooked with Ryan for one of the World Round 3.2's. I did ride Ryan's 05 a couple of years ago and liked it, just could not start it. If the starting problem is really fixed I am going to give it a shot, I just want to use it as a "play" bike anyway.
Mark, you know that I like POWER, I have installed the Keihin on nearly every trials bike I have ever owned even before my Sherco days. I put one on a 99 TXT 270.
It looks like I will be able to swing an 08 Sherco this year, I have had 2.9's in the past and really liked them but I am intrigued with the new 3.2 4T. I do not plan to compete just want a Trials bike to "play" in the dirt on.
Any "strong" thoughts either way? BTW it will be a Sherco, please don't try to convert me.
I have to jump in on this topic, I have been lurking for some time as I sold my Sherco's to buy a new GoldWing Touring bike. The wife likes to ride with me and both boys are too busy to ride trials anymore.
I have owned SEVERAL new Sherco's and modified them all. I want a bike that has SNAP, I want to touch the throttle and be able to loft the front wheel. All of our Sherco's received Keihin carbs, my last one had the V-Force reeds, they all had fat bars etc. I think my 05 had nearly every accessory that RYP sold.
A few weeks ago I had the opportunity to ride an 03 Beta, an 06 Sherco 2.9, an 06 Sherco Caby replica and a new 250 four stroke Scorpa. The Beta was nice and smooth on the bottom, (had to push it back to the truck, the flywheel key sheared) the 06 Sherco ran great, smooth and strong, the new 250 Scorpa four stroke ran very nice, smooth but a bit heavy. The bike that I really liked was the 06 Caby replica. Now that is the bike that I would want if I were to get a trials bike today. I am NOT a youngster (will be 65 my next birthday) and my skill level is somewhere in the upper intermediate to lower advanced level, I still really liked the Caby.
One thing that helped my ride the snappier bikes was to SLIP the clutch, for my youngest son's 17 birthday I sent him to a one on one Ryan Young training school and Ryan really emphasized the importance of SLIPPING the clutch.
From what I saw when I just looked at the results, AZ and OK were good trials but TN and RI were way too hard.
Here is a quote from the NATC rules that I think needs to be enforced. It does not look like it was in TN and RI.
"The sections must not be so long or difficult that bottlenecks result and cause the time limit to be unfair. The sections must neither contain impossible turns, ascents, descents, nor be too difficult. Ideally, no section should require more than 50 seconds to ride. No section shall be used which has not been test ridden a minimum of five times by either the Referee or his designee to determine that layout, deterioration or weather will not render the section too difficult to rider or machine."
I am now retired from riding trials so it does not really matter too me, however I still love the sport and want to see it grow.
My youngest son and I went to our first National several years ago and learned we were not ready, we ended up being spectators, we went back two years later and he was ready and did OK, I still was not ready but had a good time.
If the promotors make the sections too hard the riders who are on the fence will never return.
I believe that if the above stated rule is followed, the problem will be resolved.
I had really bad piston slap on an "02" that I did some trading for, RYP sent me 3 pistons, B, C and D. Ended up using the C and sent the others back. The new piston took away all of the piston slap.
I would suggest that you take the piston and the cylinder to a good machinist and have them measured. The clearances are listed in the Sherco Manual. Fit the new piston to the cylinder per the given tolerances. I would suggest that you obtain both a "B" and a "C" piston and have the machinist determine which one fits properly.
There appears to be some form taking place, if you were to set the top classes so that the top club rider would ride the NATC Expert Class, the next lower rider would ride the E/S class and then the next lower rider would ride the Support/Sportsman class.
So:
1. Or A. Champ - NATC Expert
2. Or B. Expert - NATC E/S
3. Or C. Advanced - NATC Support/Sportsman
Many rider have a goal of someday riding the NATC National series, with class designations like the three above they would know where to ride.
The lower classes could be:
4. Or D. Intermediate
5. Or E. Novice
6. Or F. Beginner
Clubs who have other classes could easily adjust, the key I think, is to have common names/requirement for the top three so they conicide with the NATC classes.
This is a class for the very new youth rider. It is usually used for the first time riders, riders being introduced to formal competition. It should be viewed as a class to encourage new youth riders.
YOUTH A
This is a class for the experienced youth rider. These riders understand the Sport and are developing the basic trials skills.
NOVICE
This is a class for the very new rider. It is usually used for the first time riders, riders being introduced to formal competition . It should be viewed as a class to encourage new riders.
You have pounded this subject to death! You are right it does not seem that there is anyone who really wants to spend the time energy and money to compete with the WTC guys. I believe that some of the young guys have maybe thought about it but really what is in it for them? In this country there are only a few guys who are making a living off of the sport. Ryan, Ron, Geoff, and a few others who really LOVE the sport are able to be involved in trials "Full Time".
You cannot get a college scholarship to ride trials, only a few can really make a living at it. The life style of the guys competing at the World level is one that few would really want, traveling all over the world all year may sound fun but it would get old after a short period of time.
Why are you so angry? If the US riders are happy then BACK OFF, we are riding trials because we LOVE the sport and have FUN riding with our friends and family. I ride with my two sons and it is a great way to spend time with them and build great memories. If you want a World Champion then find a young man or woman who has the skill and drive to become one, it is going to take a very special person to do it in this country, they will probably have to move to Europe. Remember a guy named Lance. One thing about Lance he was able to make a very nice living racing bicycles. That is not going to happen here in Trials. Not for a long time, just look at the way we are marketing the sport, we are marketing it as a circus act, the guys out doing demos are hurting the sport as much as they are helping it. People watch their circus act, shake their heads and then walk away, not many of them say, I want to do that or I want my child to do that. Now go to a Supercross and at half time the little kids get out on the little bikes and race around the course and everybody thinks it is so cute, they think it would be great for their kid to be able to do that. It is a simple job of marketing.
LIke I said, I think 99% of us understand that Trials in the US is a WONDERFUL family sport and we ride for the FUN and enjoyment we get out of it. It is going to take an influx of MONEY to make a change.
If you have the time energy and money to make that change then GO FOR IT, meanwhile do something to get rid of the anger you seem to have, maybe you should go ride one of your bikes.
Please stop beating up the NATC and all of the rest of the US riders, we love the sport and are having a great time.
Here are a couple of points that I think make it worth while for the club to become AMA affiliated.
1. Good, reasonable insurance. You don't have to scamper around every year of so looking for a source for insurance. AMA insurance for our event is only a little over $100.
2. All of the AMA events are in the AMA magazine and on their website, you may get a few more participants. It adds credibility to the club.
3. The AMA does offer some structure and hopefully in the future will offer more.
As you know when you ride our event you have to be an AMA member because our club is an AMA club and we have a joint event with MITA and NITRO.
If I understand the "Charter" of the NATC their whole purpose is to oversee the US National trials series. They do not interface with the clubs nor do they have anything to do with setting up rules for local and regional events.
I think that the AMA is supposed to be doing that! But since many of the clubs are not AMA sanctioned and the AMA does not seem to have much interest in trials as they do in MotoX etc, we are kind of left on our own. Yes we do have a rep in the AMA and those clubs that are AMA can get decent insurance for a reasonable price.
I would like to see the new group (I keep forgetting their name) interface with the AMA and get some real organization in the sport.
Here is what I would like to see:
1. Common classes - Nation wide
2. Common rules - Nation wide
3. A defined method of how to move up in a class - Nation wide
4. A offical AMA rep present at ALL trials events in order to develop consistent lines, classes etc. (At all of the USCF bicycle races that I promoted the USCF would send at least 3 reps to "run" the race. On race day I raced)
5. District, State, Regional and National Championship Trials. (For all classes, including)
Measure the inside diameter and go to your local auto parts shop and buy a piece of radiator hose the right diameter. You will have to get a long piece and cut off the right amount. Get at least one new radiator hose clamp (for the carb air horn) while you are there.
How about something like: An Advanced rider is one who has proven his skill by being able to compete at the Advanced level in local, regional and national events.
In order to be classified as an Advanced rider they will have had to accumulate enough points to move up from the lower classes to the Advanced class. Points can be accumulated by placing well in local events.
Alan I think this is a critical part of your program, there must be a method to move up a class. 1st place gives you so many points, 2nd so many etc. Look at the file I mentioned earlier, that is how they do it in bicycle racing. You start out as a 5 and when you have accumulated so many points you move up to a 4 and so forth. Some riders never move, they just stay in a class and are happy.
The guys who ride the support lines at the NATC Nationals and take 5's on most of the sections are probably not "Advanced" riders as defined by the NATC. From what I have seen the lines they set up for the support classes are typical Expert class lines in my part of the country.
Grease Anti Seize Lubricant Mix?
in Sherco
Posted · Edited by Wayne Thais
I recommended it in the Service Manual. The bearings are NOT being used in a high speed application, turn very little and usually only wear out because they are not lubricated. The big issue is water, the mixture of water proof grease and anti seize stays in place better than water proof grease alone. I and several others have used this mixture for years with great success.
Wayne