benwall Posted December 9, 2011 Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 Hi does any one know were i could buy a Montesa 200 kickstart assembly from Thanks Ben Wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodbutcher Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 KICKSTART LEVER OR KICKSTART GEARS ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azo Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 I have a Montesa 200 1982 model and have had trouble with the kickstart assembly gears. Having made numerous enquiries from a variety of places from Sandifords to breakers, I have reached the conclusion I am going to have to have the gears made. Apparently it was a design fault on my model ( red frame, white tank) and a common problem. Good luck. The odd time such assemblys appeared on E Bay they were either the later Honda Montesa model or I missed out in the bidding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodbutcher Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 MONT/HONDA 200 + COTA 200 KICKSTART GEARS ARE THE SAME THRU 1980 - 1984 . ONLY CHANGED FOR 242/304/307/309/310 ALONG WITH KICKSTART SHAFT + KICKSTART LEVER . STILL AVAILABLE NEW FROM SPAIN + FRANCE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodbutcher Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 RE. DESIGN FAULT . - THE PROBLEM WITH THE GEARS IS THAT WHEN THE CLUTCH CASE IS REMOVED THE SHAFT PULLS OUT WITH IT ALONG WITH THE TWO RATCHET GEARS + 2 WASHER /SHIMS .THESE ARE THEN OFTEN ASSEMBLED INCORRECTLEY LEADING TO THE KICKSTART GEARS BEING MISSALIGNED AND NOT MAKING FULL CONTACT WITH EACHOTHER , LEADING TO GEAR TEETH BENDING + EVENTUALLY SNAPPING BITS OFF . EVERY BIKE I HAVE WORKED ON WITH CORRECTLY SPACED GEARS HAVE HAD NO PROBS . AND ALL DAMAGED GEARS WERE BECAUSE OF INCORRECT SPACING ON REASSEMBLY . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benwall Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Thanks, do you have a diagram or know the order of how the washers and spacers go, as im thinking about buying one which has the problem of the circlip on the shaft falling off aparently due to a wrong sized washer some were on the shaft, when the circlip falls off the primary gear disengadges stoping the kick start to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab5000 Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 RE. DESIGN FAULT . - THE PROBLEM WITH THE GEARS IS THAT WHEN THE CLUTCH CASE IS REMOVED THE SHAFT PULLS OUT WITH IT ALONG WITH THE TWO RATCHET GEARS + 2 WASHER /SHIMS .THESE ARE THEN OFTEN ASSEMBLED INCORRECTLEY LEADING TO THE KICKSTART GEARS BEING MISSALIGNED AND NOT MAKING FULL CONTACT WITH EACHOTHER , LEADING TO GEAR TEETH BENDING + EVENTUALLY SNAPPING BITS OFF . EVERY BIKE I HAVE WORKED ON WITH CORRECTLY SPACED GEARS HAVE HAD NO PROBS . AND ALL DAMAGED GEARS WERE BECAUSE OF INCORRECT SPACING ON REASSEMBLY . Thank you, one of the most useful bits of advice about the Cota 200 kickstart issues. Thanks, do you have a diagram or know the order of how the washers and spacers go, as im thinking about buying one which has the problem of the circlip on the shaft falling off aparently due to a wrong sized washer some were on the shaft, when the circlip falls off the primary gear disengadges stoping the kick start to work. I know it's an old post, but just thought I'd add this photo of the assembly after removal (ignore the broken kickstart spring) Woodbutcher is right, the whole assembly pulls out with the case cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab5000 Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 Should have said - that's how it came apart. The two shims sit on top of the shaft, and mate with the bush on the crankcase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerorev3rev4 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 that assembly looks incorrect it should be starting from inside working out ,, 1 inner small bush 2 1x washer (poss shim) 3 cog 4 ratchet mechanism 5 light spring 6 large washer 7 shaft 8 heavy return spring 9 large washer 10 outer large bush in outer case 11 seal 12 kick start ,,,, the assembly can be kept in the engine when removing cover just by keeping it pushed in when lifting the cover ,,,, if the clip is popping off the idler gear check the groove in the shaft for wear and also remember circlips have a incorrect and correct way round and best to use a new one if its popped off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerorev3rev4 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 I have a Montesa 200 1982 model and have had trouble with the kickstart assembly gears. Having made numerous enquiries from a variety of places from Sandifords to breakers, I have reached the conclusion I am going to have to have the gears made. Apparently it was a design fault on my model ( red frame, white tank) and a common problem. Good luck. The odd time such assemblys appeared on E Bay they were either the later Honda Montesa model or I missed out in the bidding! let us know how getting one made gets on might be worth having a few made to sell on ,i think someone else use to make these in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab5000 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 that assembly looks incorrect it should be starting from inside working out ,, 1 inner small bush 2 1x washer (poss shim) 3 cog 4 ratchet mechanism 5 light spring 6 large washer 7 shaft 8 heavy return spring 9 large washer 10 outer large bush in outer case 11 seal 12 kick start ,,,, the assembly can be kept in the engine when removing cover just by keeping it pushed in when lifting the cover ,,,, if the clip is popping off the idler gear check the groove in the shaft for wear and also remember circlips have a incorrect and correct way round and best to use a new one if its popped off You might be right, I've just had a look at the parts diagram, and think I may be missing one of the large washers. I'll need to check next time I'm at the bike. Are the washers available - (part no is 0265.118). or any one know what size they are so i can replace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerorev3rev4 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) the large washers are the same as each other looks like you have 1 on the shaft if you find for some reason you need to use both inner washers make sure theres enough clearence with a large washer fitted when fitting casing Edited October 13, 2013 by zerorev3rev4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peemster Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 i removed my clutch casing yesterday and there was one of these washers lying in casing. where exactly does it go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerorev3rev4 Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 if the shaft assembly does not follow the order of parts as above it could be from the kick start assembly ,if not, there should be one before the circlip on the idler cog kind of hard to say without seeing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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