perce Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) The last Scott Paul Bolton rode in was 2005, he was one of 18 riders to go round within an hour of the time set by fastest man finishing approx 49 minutes slow of Standard Time. There's normally 20 or so come home in under the hour mark although last year there was only 13. Now I can't see him going any quicker on an enduro bike as the 86 miles of the Scott is made up of one hell of a lot of rough ground. Just look how Trials bikes make the Enduro bikes look slow at the Tough One, Browny won that & he hasn't exactly been quick at the Scott. As I've stated elsewhere there are bits of the course that are extremely difficult & the only way to the finish is up them. My guess is that he'll be 1 3/4 - 2 hours slow of Standard Time. Anyway Big John get your wallet out, it's a good cause & I'm certain you'll not have to buy us all a beer at the Cricket Club SPONSOR PAUL NOW Edited October 14, 2009 by PERCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle_dave Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Please don't blame 'enduro' bikes, surely this is private land, and as such any damage done has been done by illegal riders. I ride enduro, rally's, legal byways and trials. I live in the Lake District and have never ridden on the land in question, nor has any other law abiding enduro bike rider, unless in competition. Blame illegal riders, not a type of bike. I own a KTM EXC (properly silenced) and a Montesa trials bike. I do not rip up any land up no matter where or what I ride, nor do the guys that I regularly ride with. We have been riding the Lakes for many years, we do not damage where we ride, in fact several of us are volunteer lengthsmen who help to repair paths for all to use, usually to repair damage done to routes by poor drainage. Mike, instead of standing in horror, why not come and talk to us? Maybe we can change your views. Many of us live where we ride, and both value and maintain the routes we ride on. It is very disappointing that a fellow biker would want to deny another group of bikers their legal and responsible pleasure. By the way, trail riding is alive and well currently, both in the Lakes and the Dales. It was only a few years ago we all had to fight against DEFRA introduced rules that would have seen all MX and trials banned from farm land. Fortunately we all got together and saw those rules overturned. It is a shame you do not use your public forum to promote all forms of off road motorcycling, rather then just the ones you are interested in. Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlejohn Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 When I first came across this post, which seems to be gaining notoriety upon the www for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_t Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Hi All, Just popped in from another forum to say hello and offer some mild input to this string. I own and ride an Enduro bike, wear a full face helmet and usually clothing other than camo gear or wax cotton belstaf outer shell... My bike is a big orange desert racer 525MXC primary design is for blasting about deserts and competition racing, indeed it's part of the KTM EXC Racing range. I also fall into ANDY'S user group as a mid life bloke who uses the legal trails to ride the bike with friends. I do however belong to a fellowship of other riders who have a code of conduct and want to promote responsible use and riding but FIGHT to retain the right to ride. I also spent a lot of time effort and money campaigning to overturn the DEFRA interpretation of the SPS rules on Motor Sport on Farm Land. As I understand it this was a huge threat to the continued ability of trials riders to hold events on land where the owner was claiming SPS payments and needed to abide by the various Cross Compliance rules that are the utter bain of many landowners and farmers. I even got one of my letters handed to the then PM Tony Blair on his campaign trail... In the end the DEFRA Minister decided not to implement the rule they had created and just to keep it on the statute books and review the situation year on year. In some small part it was the fact that all the biking community, MX riders, Trail riders, Enduro riders and Trials, grass track etc.. stuck together and raised their voices. The "threat" has not gone away and the rule still remains on the UK (England & Wales) statutes. When we work together we are strong..when we appear to fight amongst ourselves we are weak and easy prey for those who don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilc0 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) I think it's more about what the enduro rear tyre does than anything else,as most enduro rider's only know 2 positions of a throttle,wide open or slammed shut. Just a point of interest there are some enduro club's with a rule of letting a rider choose what tyre they want to use whilst racing on the day,Trials rear or Enduro rear tyre,if they pick the enduro tyre the rider get's a 20% penalty from the start,so looks like even enduro clubs are trying to sway riders onto trials rear tyre's. Edited October 15, 2009 by bilc0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle_dave Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 as most enduro rider's only know 2 positions of a throttle,wide open or slammed shut. Oh for goodness sake! What nonsense! You are continuing to perpetuate a number of ludicrous accusations that are simpy wrong, incorrect, false... and will be damaging to all bike riders. Stop it. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilc0 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Stop it. Please. Im sorry darling i did'nt mean to upset you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlejohn Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) The Chiltern Hills Enduro Club (CHEC) are one such Club that encourage a trials tyre, and yes they have a 20% score penalty, also they charge an extra Edited October 15, 2009 by littlejohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_t Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) I think it's more about what the enduro rear tyre does than anything else,as most enduro rider's only know 2 positions of a throttle,wide open or slammed shut.Just a point of interest there are some enduro club's with a rule of letting a rider choose what tyre they want to use whilst racing on the day,Trials rear or Enduro rear tyre,if they pick the enduro tyre the rider get's a 20% penalty from the start,so looks like even enduro clubs are trying to sway riders onto trials rear tyre's. Most Club Enduros only allow trials rears! It's quite rare for them to allow "knoblies" or MX rears.. and then thats on land with an MX track as part of the lap.. Besides all tyres used on "green lanes" that are in fact ROADS have to be road legal. Indeed in order to use the green lane the bike has to be fully road legal and by that I mean FULLY ROAD LEGAL for use on the road(Taxed, Insured, MOT'd and registered). So the bike would have to be fitted with an Enduro tyre or trail tyre that has an MST stamp and could be used on any road legal motorcycle. So if a trail rider had an MX tyre or an FiM approved Enduro rear tyre that was not road legal then it is a Road Traffic Offence. I used to ride my enduro in events all over the UK and I cant remember when I was allowed to use any other rear except a trials tyre. Even the last fun event at Lambs Lair where MX tyres were allowed I still had a trials rear fitted... A lot opf enduro bike owners do long distance trials and three stage trials..all with trials rear... But as always there are idiots out there that give the rest of us a bad name Edited October 15, 2009 by ANDY_T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b40rt Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I see while I was typing this two more posts have popped up showing a little less tolerance to some opinions. Trouble with tolerance is often it is taken as a sign of weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copemech Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I think it's more about what the enduro rear tyre does than anything else,as most enduro rider's only know 2 positions of a throttle,wide open or slammed shut.Just a point of interest there are some enduro club's with a rule of letting a rider choose what tyre they want to use whilst racing on the day,Trials rear or Enduro rear tyre,if they pick the enduro tyre the rider get's a 20% penalty from the start,so looks like even enduro clubs are trying to sway riders onto trials rear tyre's. Having ridden a few of these bikes in 450 cc denom, I do tend to think they have little but an on and off throttle, with no flywheight for traction, just rip and snort, which is great in the propre circumstance such as mountain roads and on the track, but not in sensitive areas. On the contrary, my little serow can putt about all day with no prob. Nothing to do with the tire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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