March 31, 200521 yr How long do you reckon it will be until two strokes get banned? Personaly i dont think they will ever be able to ban them there will always be one running somewhere. James
March 31, 200521 yr The way I look at it is this: 2-stroke or 4-stroke, does it really matter? It's still a trials bike and I can still go out and publicly humiliate myself in competition on a Sunday. I don't really give a stuff how the power gets to my back wheel as long as it's delivered reasonably reliably and I don't have to twirl the spanners too often. If I'm pumping fewer pollutants into the atmosphere in the process, well that's a good thing I guess.
March 31, 200521 yr The data that suggests 2 stroke motorcycles make any major contribution to pollution, is effectively non-existant, so I cant really see why there was any suggestion of a ban in the first place? Because once greenpeace twigged on that we put oil in our fuel they suddenly start thinking we're pouring oil into the atmosphere 2 stroke engine production ends in 2007 but I you will never have a ban in trials mainly because clubs would lose so many riders they would all fold
March 31, 200521 yr The way I look at it is this: 2-stroke or 4-stroke, does it really matter? It's still a trials bike and I can still go out and publicly humiliate myself in competition on a Sunday. A man after my own heart but I would have to eat a lot of humble pie to lower myself to competing on a 2 stroke! Two strokes may not be banned in the UK (I hope not I have some odd 2 stroke bikes in my shed) but production will stop because of pressure from our ?friends? across the pond ie in the US of A.
March 31, 200521 yr After the previous discussion on this subject got a bit political and some people got narked I think that a bit of perspective is required. It really doesn't matter where the anti-2-stroke crusade originated or whether the FIM are right or wrong in their decision to make trials exclusively 4-stroke from next year. It's happened and we all have to live with it. But not just yet. You might say that's a bit of a defeatist attitude but there are people out there (the learned g4321 below for example) who prefer 4-strokes and at the end of the day so like I said, does it really matter? OK, so it might take a while to get used to the 4-stroke power delivery and the inherent additional complexity of the engine means that bikes will be initially more expensive to buy and more difficult to work on than a 2-stroke, but progress has a price and its always the first wave of a new generation that pays that price. With the exception of HRC/Montesa, I believe that all of the trials manufacturers have stated that they have no plans to discontinue 2-stroke models in the forseeable future so they'll still be around for many years to come, at least at club level. And in the meantime, who's to say that someone won't come along with some amazing new 2-stroke technology that reduces emissions to below 4-stroke levels and is more powerful and quieter than current designs?
March 31, 200521 yr well..not that I dont believe any of you guys...just that I dont know WHO to believe on all this. HAS the FIM really insisted everyone in WOrld Trials should be on 4 stroke next year??....(I thought it was still not definate) And....IS 2 stroke engine manufacture gonna finish in 2007??....(I thought that was still not definate also?? Please someone set us straight for once and for all.
March 31, 200521 yr well..not that I dont believe any of you guys...just that I dont know WHO to believe on all this.HAS the FIM really insisted everyone in WOrld Trials should be on 4 stroke next year??....(I thought it was still not definate) And....IS 2 stroke engine manufacture gonna finish in 2007??....(I thought that was still not definate also?? Please someone set us straight for once and for all. Well as far as I know both of those things are 100% happening when they say they are going to but like you said it's hard to know what to belive Edited March 31, 200521 yr by O.A.S motorcycles
March 31, 200521 yr Why worry about when the two stroke motor will no longer be produced, by then you will have to nip behind the bike shed to start the bugger up anyway. [Q] fromTMX There was no option – just an effective ban. The net is closing in on all who wish to pursue country-based past-times – unless you are a rambler of course. [Q]
March 31, 200521 yr Is there going to come a time when you wo'nt be able to trade in your 2 stroke because the'll be no good to anyone ?
March 31, 200521 yr When I emailed the FIM on a date! this is the reply I got. Thank you for your email. Following your question, please note that the 2-Stroke engines are still accepted for the moment and will remain so until their homologation has ended. Best regards. This to me looks like nothing is set in stone, and when and if! it does come into being will only stop competitors riding 2 strokes in FIM sanctioned events. Also reading the Sherco press release on the 4T it mentioned they will still make the two stroke as long as there is a market for them, they also stated that the 2 strokes met homologation standards until the year 2008. Edited April 4, 200521 yr by ishy
March 31, 200521 yr I would imagine that 2 strokes will go the same way as pre 65 bikes .We will have loads of different classes Has anyone actually thought what will happen to 80cc and 125cc 2 stroke classes the training ground for young up and coming riders where are these four strokes?, 2 stroke will be here forever.
March 31, 200521 yr Author They will have to ban every thing that is two stroke. Motorbikes, outboard motors, garden machinery, quads etc etc 2 strokes probably outnumber four strokes James
March 31, 200521 yr Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the FIM have any intention of banning two-strokes. As I understand it, the intention was to insist on four strokes only in World Championship events, but that has been put on the back burner until all marques have four-strokes. As far as the general punter is concerned, both two and four strokes will continue to be made whilst there is a market for both. Whilst the FIM can influence the World Championship, I can't see them having any influence at all with the clubs that run FIM sanctioned events like the SSDT, Santigosa Three Day, Sardent Four Day, Verdun Five Day, or indeed any other international event. If they were able to say (for example) four strokes only in the Scottish, I imagine there would suddenly be a huge number of entries available in the trial. Equally I can see the Edinburgh saying the Scottish version of stuff it, we'll do what we want. My opinion only, for what it's worth.
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