trialspro Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 Today was the first day i rode my 4rt in the mud! i have had the bike for about two months and have been really impressed with it in the dry and on rocks, but after today im starting to get a bit worried about the winter slowly getting closer to us, i used to ride a gasgas 280 pro, and it would fly through slippy wet mud with no problems, as for my 4rt what a pile of sh**! but im not going to give up. Are there any other 4rt riders out there who no the correct techinque for ridding these bikes in the mud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 I got a Sherco 4T and have been told to use smoooth throttle and no blipping. After trying it, it certainly helps and grips better than the 290 I had before. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky g Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 My old TLR 250 was the same in the mud..crap! There is a knack to riding a fourstroke in the mud for sure, I don't think you will beat a nice smooth two stroke for it's overall ease of use in the slippery conditions...very forgiving motors. The 4ST lumps can be very lumpy which can become a handfull in the slippy stuff. WM....I'm suprised you can get your's started for a run in the mud...everytime I saw you at S/Shrops you struggling to start it I shall now duck for cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 WM....I'm suprised you can get your's started for a run in the mud...everytime I saw you at S/Shrops you struggling to start it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-shock 250 Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 I have a TLR 250 and when you are dialled in to the 4 stroke technique it is absolutely magic in the mud, alot better than a two stroke which are too smooth for traction in the sticky stuff. Keep at it, try different techniques until you have it dialled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky g Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 (edited) Technically, the 4 stroke should be better in the mud anyway due to its smooth power delivery over the 'snappier' two strokes.. .. Well done on beating Elwyn The bigger the 4st motor the more of a kick they'll have. Allot of folks think the TLR 200 is a far better bike to ride than the TLR 250 for this very reason..... Stick a good two stroke in a high gear and you'll level most mud situations and have the power to back off and bring it back on again. I would have a good guess and say the Sherco 4st is more "snappier" than alot of two strokes Edited July 24, 2005 by Marky G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 I would have a good guess and say the Sherco 4st is more "snappier" than alot of two strokes Nope! I reckon between the 290 and the 4T, its easier in the mud on the 4T. But, thats my opinion.. like to hear from a more experienced source.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikespace Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 Sorry - I'm not the more experienced source The Clive trial I think you were on about the other week, I tried the 4T on I think section 2 a few times. I shoved it in 2nd gear like I would with my 290 - I just couldn't move - I couldn't get the feel of what the wheel was doing. I knocked it up in to 3rd and had another go, and it was a different bike - cleaned it. 3rd on the 290 would have been a bit 'runaway' in a tight section like that, but the 4T felt much better in 3rd. I don't know if this fits in with any particular rules for riding 4 strokes in mud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjwhite Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 4rt is amazing in the mud, untill u take out the spark arrester. then it changes the bikes performance in slippery conditions a helll of a lot. for with the spark arrester in that you just stick it in 1st , lean back, and stear it. couldnt find an easier bike to ride when its wet, but then once you need to do bigger things, it just ddnt perform for me, so i got another gasser, brought my newly found four stroke technique to it, and ride it better than ever!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munch Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 interesting you say it wont do bigger things ! the 4rts at the french 4 day went up anything on the black route with ease Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 but then once you need to do bigger things, it just ddnt perform for me Did you try the 4t ? Much more power available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialspro Posted July 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 i dont have any problems taking my 4rt up anything big, infact i find it easyer to ride than the gasser, but it all changes when i get into some mud. maybe i should try using much less throttle in the mud and a lower gear, that would be the oposite to what i have been doin! i think its just going to take time until i can find out how to ride it in the mud! maybe i should buy some of those footrest brackets lewisport sell to make the footrests further back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 (edited) I changed the rear sprocket soon after i bought my 4rt. Reading your comments (using a higher gear) should i try reverting back to original, any opinions? I agree with who ever said "lean back". I ride in Kent with mud being a major obstacle inmy competitions, so getting the bike to grip in slippery mud is very important. A couple of month's back I rode an event that had mud about 12inch's deep in a lot of sections and no s**t when i leant back the bike would lift the front wheel and grip amazingly. The first time i accidently lent back the throttle was two thirds open in third gear and the bike stood on its end. The techinque is all important, Munch (in a different post) has some different footrests fitted to his 4rt, that could, i suspect not require a rider to change stance and lean back. Munch can you upload a pic of your foot peg hangers. Edited July 27, 2005 by spud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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