jon v8 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Domestic Engineer I cant even claim to be any good at that either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Too late for the yellow card Sparks, I had to yellow card myself from the lathe this evening following a skirmish with an Ossa ignition flywheel. An attempt to lighten one saw it stage a successful bid for freedom from the chuck. 7lbs of spinning mayhem flew across the bench like one of Barnes Wallace's finest creations. Fortunately the direction it took saw it trapped in the corner at the end of the bench where it finally span and bounced itself to rest. If it had come my way, I may well have a new head with Motoplat stamped on it... A sharp lesson of a little knowledge and ambition far outweighing the skill set.... I did persevere and get it done, but it appears I've taken off too much after trying it on the bike... I won't mention too much detail of the earlier attempt to pin and weld my broken BSA kickstart shaft, but the attempt to start the bike with the 'repaired' shaft, the subsequent cracking sound and accompanying cry of pain, and a kickstart hanging limply from the shaft, may suggest to some that it wasn't the success it first seemed to be... Tomorrow will be a spanners only day 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbhbul Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Next time try chucking on flywheel puller and center in tailstock maybe. At least you wont wear it. Have a nice day Larry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laird387 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Woody - Let's not have any more of this 'Now, I'm not an engineer' stuff. You know what your talking about, more than most 'engineers' I know, it's just false modesty to draw attention. Any more and it's a yellow card. Regards Sparks P.S. What is an 'Engineer' anyway? Chartered engineer? Electrical engineer? Electronic engineer? Engineering Fitter? Control Engineer? Civil engineer? Refrigeration engineer? You name it, there's an 'engineer' for it. Oh dear, I've upset someone, (or woke them up). Na then sparks, Tha knows full well that from thy end o t'country an engineer is the man that drives t'winding engine in t'pit.......... Or am I just old fashioned - 'cos my great uncle who manufactured motorcycles in the Colne Valley just outside Huddersfield also called himself an engineer, because he had been apprenticed at Bradbury's just across the Pennines, and then designed and built his own motorcycles where the sole bought-in components were the pistons, some of the bearings, the valves and springs, the tyres and tubes, the acetylene lamps, the saddle and the speedometers. He also rode the first Bradbury fitted with a foot-change gearshift from Oldham down to London (Olympia) to be exhibited on the company's stand. Edited December 12, 2014 by laird387 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks2 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Eh Up Deryk Was it you I woke up?Can't speak with any authority on this because I've never been down t'pit, up chimneys, yes, down t'pit, no. We were more textiles in this neck of the woods.But I think the man who drove t'winding engine was called the 'Banksman', either that or just the winding engine driver, certainly not engineer.I think your saying your Great Uncle was an all round machinist (on the machine tools of the day) so could call himself an engineer. Woody, No Yellow Cards for having a go yourself, just Brownie points. Now, I'm not an engineer, just someone who has learned most things in life by the desperately hard school of trial and error, a few observations:-When in any doubt, run very slow, with slow feed and small cut, most materials will still cut and risks will be much less.If things work out you can increase speed a bit.When cutting a large diameter (such as the flywheel OD), surface speed is up, so lathe RPM can go down.Cutting speeds are not an exact science, witness the few speeds on older lathes.Don't worry about the odd kickstart disaster, your bikes are a credit to you.P.S. Social EngineeringGenetic EngineeringTraffic EngineerThere's more when I can think of themNot sure about Domestic Engineer, is that the same as Domestic Appliance Engineer ??? Edited December 12, 2014 by sparks2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 Thanks Sparks - good tip about surface speed of the flywheel, I hadn't thought of that. I think I had the speed about 800 if I can work out the reading correctly... I was actually skimming the face of it, theory being that if I keep the larger diameter, it will retain most of the inertia characteristic whilst being a bit lighter, helping it pick up a bit quicker but not losing inertia and causing it to stall easily. Feels as though I may have taken a bit much off riding it around the garden but won't know really until I get it out under proper conditions. Three attempts at fixing the broken kickstart shaft now and three failures, but you don't know if you don't try... I enjoy having a go but know my limitations... and keep finding new ones. But I've learned from others and taught myself a bit so I can at least do most of the stuff on my own bikes now. All part of the overall experience which culminates in what I enjoy most - riding trials. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy53 Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I think it's a lot more usefull to be engenius than to have an engeneer ring. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordo Posted January 3, 2015 Report Share Posted January 3, 2015 Woody - Let's not have any more of this 'Now, I'm not an engineer' stuff. You know what your talking about, more than most 'engineers' I know, it's just false modesty to draw attention. Any more and it's a yellow card. Regards Sparks P.S. What is an 'Engineer' anyway? Chartered engineer? Electrical engineer? Electronic engineer? Engineering Fitter? Control Engineer? Civil engineer? Refrigeration engineer? You name it, there's an 'engineer' for it. Oh dear, I've upset someone, (or woke them up). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks2 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Very good, Gordo, thanks for posting. But haven't we all got to have the 'knack' to keep a 20, 30, 40, 50 and more years old machine running whilst throwing it at the mud and rocks (those of us not buying new machinery these days). Many years ago, someone, speaking down to me, explained in a patronising manner, that to be an Engineer you had to be Chartered, ie a member of a Chartered Institute. Until then, you were just a fitter, technician, turner, welder etc. I have not been comfortable with the term 'engineer' since. Not that I think a fitter, technician or turner has any less to offer society. Deryk - just had it confirmed by someone who worked down t'pit, the winding engine driver was called the 'Banksman'. ---- One up to me. Regards Edited January 4, 2015 by sparks2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laird387 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Very good, Gordo, thanks for posting. But haven't we all got to have the 'knack' to keep a 20, 30, 40, 50 and more years old machine running whilst throwing it at the mud and rocks (those of us not buying new machinery these days). Many years ago, someone, speaking down to me, explained in a patronising manner, that to be an Engineer you had to be Chartered, ie a member of a Chartered Institute. Until then, you were just a fitter, technician, turner, welder etc. Not that I think a fitter, technician or turner has any less to offer society. Deryk - just had it confirmed by someone who worked down t'pit, the winding engine driver was called the 'Banksman'. ---- One up to me. Regards Hi sparks2, It's a dialect thing - the man driving the winding engine at the pit on Lepton Edge, was my next door neighbour in my tender youth at Moldgreen, and he had the official title of 'Engineer' and his cubby hole bore the title 'Engineers Office'. I do agree that pits in the Barnsley area most certainly had 'Banksmen' at the winding engine controls. I agree with your sentiments, I suffered in later life with people working for me who bore the title Chartered Engineer, and were never short of a chance to remind you - but I knew the others in the department who had not subscribed to the Chartered Institute, others that I would trust my life to - and that could not be said of my Ch. Eng., associate. One other local memory for you, my grandad worked in the boiler room at a mill in the Colne Valley, in the days long before popular clocks and alarms were readily available. His day started when the alarm clock provided by his employers roused him, whereupon he would go down to the mill and sound two long blasts on the works siren - the 'wake up' call for all the other workers. Having done that one fine morning he looked at his own pocket watch and realised that he had sounded the wake-up just an hour early. You can probably guess what all the workers felt when they rushed in to work only to see the actual time on the factory clocking in card board............... Grandad was always a definite clock watcher from that day forth........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks2 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Hi Deryk Well, my friend and informant worked at Shuttle Eye, Grange Moor, in the sixties, not a mile or two away from Lepton Edge, infact the neighbouring pit and he says it was 'Banksman'. One -- One, I reckon. Great banter, bye for now. PS which mill in the Colne Valley? Edited January 4, 2015 by sparks2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guys Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I bet the engineer had to skim the brake shoes of that winding engine also......................................................... and we're back on topic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laird387 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Hi sparks2, 'Twas at Marsden and the name running riot in my memory cells is Bankdam, but it was all whilst I was a twinkle in his eldest son's eye - and Grandad's long gone, so I can't check. My Mum was a hand warper in Moldgreen at a worsted mill, making pattern lengths on a series of pegs on the wall. And if people are worried about going off topic, let's talk about a real old school engineer, Fred Duffield of Dalton who was a specialist repair and restoration engineer for BSA three wheelers, or my great uncle Richard, who manufactured motorcycles in the Colne valley, and rode one in the third Scott trial with one of his customers.............. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks2 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Deryk Your confusing it with that great book 'The Crowthers of Bankdam' Was that ever made into a film?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laird387 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Hi sparks2, Right in one - yes, I remember the book and, if it didn't make it into a film it certainly made it on to early TV (My Dad was a Radio and TV engineer so we had TV in the home long before the norm) - but I'm sure there was something about Bankdam in Grandad's exploit - was the book based around one of the local mills, in which case it was that mill that Grandad worked at. We moved to Leeds when I was eleven, so I lost direct contact with life in the Huddersfield area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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