I am preparing a1955 James in trials trim for this years Beamish Trophy Trial. I want to improve the robustness of the ignition system by doing away with the villiers ignition coil and using an external coil. I have just ordered a FS1E 6 volt AC coil. I need to know in very simple easy steps how to modify the current villiers system sso that I can use the new coil. A wiring diagram would be a great help. I have read the page in the Villiers improvement handbook but it has confused me [not difficult as elctrics are not my strong point.] I really need some expert help but in very simple terms. Can anyone help. I will watch to see what help is given and I can also be contacted via my email ron-wright@blueyonder.co.uk.

You won't go far wrong with this .....

 

http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?page=search&SS=villiers+8e&ACTION=Search&PR=-1&TB=A

Thanks Andy; a bit pricer for me. I am aware that there is a modification that can be used which was used quite widely. I am hoping there there is still the expertise out there to help me

There are plenty of old Villers engined bikes running well every weekend on mods as Deryk describes. For honest and practical help,you could give Paul Powell a call at Cotton - Villers spares,he kindly lent me his Cotton last weekend to get more fuel when my AJS ran out at the Gerry Holdstock trial.  Started first kick,which I thought was a good advert for what he does. Cheers Paul !

 

http://www.cottonvilliersspares.co.uk/

Thanks to both the above contributors; I have just emailed Deryk.

Seems like the offer of some assistance now comes at a price of £12 as I will have to subscribe to the digital magazine. I hate digital mazazines and cannot read magazines off a computer. I was simply looking for help from the trials fraternity who are a pretty giving bunch of people.

 

Re the above post - see my note above yours.As a result of my post Deryk volunteered to help me and send me the info via my email which he suggested was common knowledge in the 60's. He has now changed his mind and wants to charge £12 for this info which is hardly in the spirit of volunteering to help. That is what has disappointed me. The £12 is not necessarily the issue but if I say I am going to do something I do it in good favour. Can anyone help me out ?

Edited July 11, 201610 yr by ronwright

I think you need to change your motto to read - Never forget if you need facts you have to pay for them

He's got a point though, Deryk, surely this forum was created to share advice and information, not act as a signpost to your e-magazine ? I subscribed for a couple of years but the format didn't suit me - I wasn't keen how it worked with my Apple stuff at home

Not taking sides in this one but lets assume ronwright that your name was Rupert Ratio for example and you had written a book collating loads of useful information about building and running BSA unit singles. How would you feel if people instead of buying your book gave away the information you had spent all that time and effort collating and then writing up and publishing for free on a website ? Just a POV 

Fair point OTF, if it's Deryks mod, it's up to him to use it as he pleases . If though, like some of the Rupert Ratio stuff, it's lots of common knowledge collated together, at what point does the mod or information become the property of the collator ? There's loads of C15 info on here that is in Ratio's book, but is also known by lots of others I'm sure..

Just go on google and type "fs1e coil on Villiers" there's all the info you need for free

 

its quite a simple job once you have the info, and it works well too 

Edited July 18, 201610 yr by suzuki250

Hi Ron,

The modification that was first used to win the Scott trial on a Villiers twostroke by Arthur Shutt was relatively simple and simply involved adding the Villiers lighting coil (already in the flywheel) to the ignition circuit. Email me at Offroadrevue@gmail.com and I will give you instructions on how to do it.

I did it on all the Villiers models that I rode over the years (Dot, Greeves, Cotton and James) and the modification was standard fit on all the works Francis-Barnett bikes.

If there is sufficient demand I will publish details in our digital magazine, ORRe.

Surely it was the above post that Ron took offence at.

Every post in the Pre 65 section is immediately steered off topic by ads for an e magazine or someone criticising every bike that is not original with full history as in the recent Drayton Bantam question.

Surely it was the above post that Ron took offence at.

Every post in the Pre 65 section is immediately steered off topic by ads for an e magazine or someone criticising every bike that is not original with full history as in the recent Drayton Bantam question.

Common sense prevails ⬆️?