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I heard they both cleaned the event but I doubt marc can rail for 4 hours or less Im hoping pat is on top Have not heard absolute conclusive placings

Cool post Biff ster I have a feeling few riders are as fit as Pat totally hope some bigger challenges lean the advantage his way . You didn't share who may have the advantage ,maybe you didn't know , but the words were encouraging,to some degree thanks

Did someone write that for you it was very well worded? The british riders-mostly Wigg and Lampkins would always chat with us and yes in Sherco pits not knowing any Spanish was a big problem. It was better for short time Browns minder could help us .

I remember his first year there were around 7 riders and he got 7th by just 1 mistake or poor call all year and then I think he won the last 2 events out east. The most surprising part of pats success is being from Wisconsin ,no vertical terrain ,few real high end riders to compete with and a shorter riding season. To be on track for a big WTC career it would be nice to see an American match Pats early accomplishments . His first 2 rounds in Guatemala saw him with no minder (my shoulder was repaired ) and 2 days on podium , then the next weekend in Italy he took 1st , then almost every ride was a podium through 125 s and blue line rides, he even cleaned Poland on 125 and 2 days clean back to back -blue line Portugal. Unfortunate he never really did a full season, partly he had been struggling with a pars defect(hairline crack in lower back vertebrae, and also we were mostly doing it out of self funding . There was also a large discomfort felt ,never felt welcome, from being treated as invisible in sign up ques ,to not really getting much support ,as teams are quite engrossed in their own gig,and why would they want to be beat by someone so foreign. Not sure what has or may have changed ,but hopefully some of those issues are not as big of deal for kids trying now. We will see.

And Pat quietly cleans 69 out of 72 sections as a ho hum . Id like to see time on course included in results as well , I understand he motoed the course ,He wont lose too many events on time penalty points.

When you find time go on you tube and search psf monthly or psf films. you will find many of Pats videos are in our woods in S WI where only a 20 foot slope has served him well with all the things I hauled in with 4 wd backhoe. Using the sleeper 12 inch ties I built a tower about 8 ft tall and built different ways up - 2 decks and 2 steep climbs , we also have many cement tubes and blocks . This area has actually hosted local events with around 6 sections mostly having boundary for one be also used on next section. The best video for viewing is probably his sherco v.s. monty it is 7:49 long and at 3:20 it is then all in woods where main home built course is.,Have fun , cheers

You could be on to something there. I know dual sport rides in Wisconsin generally max out their allowed sign up numbers often well over 100 riders and many to all of the riders have off road competition history ,so yeah in some of the hero sections have scoring done most likely in peer groups and have some separate awards. Maybe just a few age group categories at first. I will contact people I know to see what they think.

I wanted to log in as a guest to post this but don't know how. Of course some did but I guess since they were so low on the scoreboard there hasnt been any mention of it on The 1st headline stories on TC or Cycle News ,maybe there is some follow up on its way. great weekend in Tennessee and not a complete disaster with new scoring ,even a positive point or two ,I thought.

After further review it seems IF you are on just 1 wheel then SOMETIMES you can pause for .5 to .9 seconds . Instead of a five just mark the card with a golden ? when it is so close to call . Then at the end of the day use the # of ? marks to break any ties.

Well in a modern liberal America it is becoming legal to smoke weed in a new state each month and call unions between partners with identical plumbing a legal Marriage it seems like TOLERENCE is king to reason so cut him some slack.

OK I watched the vid of all those fine riders riding green line rocks and see a lot of nice riding. I also noted the red x shows up even for 1/2 second to 1 second pauses MOST of the time . at 5:46 Caby clearly moves rearward a touch on back wheel and it is OK but when Dabill does it at 6:30 it is called a failure. I think Oliveras moved a MM forward on his side hop so why is that not OK ??? It is not clear at all how to score a true pause to a conceived pause. Good luck getting it consistent scorers. At least they dont have to run a stopwatch .

If the goal is to gather more "common man" participation the ban of tight one piece suits seems a logical start.

RIGHT ON WHAT HE SAID thumbs up 2 you . Why should the riders not have input?

I may have assumed wrongly that "participation" is limited to riding entries. WOTA runs from 16 to 36 riders ,just a few short years ago on the flattest terrain imaginable (site of baraboo hills classic after all the good stuff was put in a conservancy) we had like 56 max .UMTA is still rockin with 40 plus riders often, even with like 18 events per year ,not sure how they do it . The main point about this rule is why didnt the concern of the WTC riders come into the picture= as far as I know it is just being forced on them with little concern for what they prefer.Also if you want to have a look at pushing the envelope to whats possible with a modern light powerful trials bike go to rypusa.com and watch Pats freeride vid of Sherco v.s. Monty =the nosepick rollback is sweet and even more unbelievable is his floating whip to 180 on front wheel , up on a 10 foot tower. sick as H somewhere I saw his footage of a massive tree bonk to 180 off ,and a rear wheel tree tap 6 or 10 feet up , this stuff is so inspiring you can not ,not be amazed. Risk=huge Reward ??????? !

Absolutely close to none that I know of. Many US dirt bikers try to ride slow with beneficial techniques and feel foolish when they cant figure it out. So they go back to just tearing up trails and making dust. Again with a TIME LIMIT for riding sections it doesnt matter what happens within the section,I know its harder to balance going backwards and have felt that skill shouldnt be a penalty unless footing while doing so.

Theoretically no stop should be easier to score , but I am sure some will invent their own tideas of a thousand and 1 or 2 or 3 when stucked on slimy log or something . Just like the most current rules stating NO sideways or reverse motion allowed ,yet with most pivot and hop moves the rule is commonly bent time after time. I think that rule was to keep riders from straight pullback/rollback that was so common in the LeJuene,Tarres days and yes they really did a lot of parking , making filming a hassle because you would turn off camera to save film and then miss it when they finally pulled the trigger. Thats when a tight time limit FIXED the problem.

Martin I am speaking of WTC events, if few riders see it as a good idea then why dont they express their displeasure. The US NATC rounds are safe from this silliness as far as I know. On one hand the no stop rule is partially designed to improve spectator turnout and next you hear of longer loops which is contrary to the small stadium prone way some venues(Japan) have been going. So it just seems like they are up to change for the sake of change . To mess with the whole sport to possibly sell a few more bikes is foolish. The pics of Barcelona world x indoor it looked like an endurocross track in the building ,that is a good tool for promoting x over riding. Canada s idea of a 5 if parked for 5 is a much better idea . It seemed like with a strict time limit and many times a long busy section riders really couldnt hang out in any 1 spot very long anyway. Let the Scots and Brits ride by ancient rules if they must but lets not make that affect the rest of the world. I am pretty sure our local club will not be changing to no- stop mainly because the pres. lets the RIDERS decide And even if it is changed our Champ clas is like 1 to 4 guys who will ride whatever rules we want which is clearly what we have been doing for decades= stop/ hop set up slam /smile when it works mode .BTW I liked stings post but when did Lane move to MINN/Kansas

One solution would be a players strike. When 1st round arrives and no one is there to ride, then maybe they would ask riders what they want! And all you guys who think minders should be done away with ,thats another idea that is unrealistic.Even at club level events guys who want to push and have some thrills will get help from a spotter , it would be foolish to NOT have an assistant that often saves catastrophe!

As a life long super trials enthusiast ,competitor/mider /course builder /etc I have seen a lot of things happen in this sport. I clearly think the F.I.M. ,trials is making a mistake on this no stop rule. When Raga says it stinks you can bet there are few RIDERS who are pleased with new rule.I also feel that years of developing todays modern, insanely skilled techniques should not be thrown away because some old non riding gentlemen are more interested in tradition and nostalgia ,than listening to what the men who compete want .. I could see a seperate class or series for the throwback minded, as in XC ski racing they have modern skating class and also run the "traditional" diagonal class. Anyway it seems absurd to just go change the whole sport with little rider input. That said there will still be the problem of observers who take their own interpritation of the rules too far and become opver zealous giving points for calls that should not occur due to (the benefit of the doubt goes to the rider) clause. SO many times that is NOT the case .I am overjoyed the new NATC heads are not rushing to the new format as we have seen over and over the WTC structure is not consistent enough to blindly follow.

Also if NATC is wanting to follow closely the FIM rulebook ( touching a marker) then maybe it is time to start a Friday afternoon course indpection. It would make the Saturday 1st loop move along much better and if there were any goofy placed markers the teams could make it known to the course marshall maybe a modification is in order.Of course they run a 2 llop 15 section format with many sections being the same both days so that may complicate things a bit .

I would like to ban spectators or at least clueless spectators who ramble about and roll life threatining rocks down towards riders/minders/other spectators. In the 100s of events I have been to by far the scariest and most dangerous moments have not been on the bike or grabbing a bike,it has been while standing and casually observing a section!! Many of you were probably at TTC World Round ,last section when the bowling ball rock rearranged a guys face. My son Phil was shoulder to shoulder with him and I was within a few yards downslope. I had heard it may have been Raga s minder but dont know who let the rock go. 1 other time in Poland I was waiting for some 125 cc action to start and a 50# rock frisbee sailed between my legs ,had I understood why people were screaming I may have ducked down and lost a pelvis. So maybe it is timwe to section off areas that are above the section when on a steep slope and not allow access. ?? I doubt the perp was of "censored" probably just a careless person. edited by admin.

Those 1 and 2 guys are swapping wins looks to be interesting for those off track betters. Phil dnf d with bruised or broken toes I have suggested a try at the Expert line ,I dont think Pro is quite sane choice ,like said before consistently dropping 100 plus points gets old fast,I would think. Makes me wonder how long Alex z Wigg can keep hammering the red line ,you can hope there are some safe fives along the way but man how do you take 30 fives and not have some hurt? Thanks to all clubs who set events for sure .

Scores on Sunday right in a good range maybe Expert got a break ,in WOTA we have turnouts of less than 30 riders quite often and 1/2 are from neighboring states.We put on an AOTSCA 250/sidecar Natl in the 80 s I remember it was cool,not much hope these days .now Duluth on the other hand was always great. I had thought the clubman line was brought in so the support classes could reflect that the riders who follow the circuit are mostly Expert or higher in their clubs and have abilities to do some pretty good stuff,if I ride and clean over 90%of the sections it isnt really that fun. Wondering if there will be any more shootouts or payouts this year??

Congrats Pat you get so "lucky". It looks like they ran support on the clubman line whats up with 1/2 the riders under 10 points Ill bet Rohrschniieder is p****d. Who wants to take a week off spend $1000s and ride AROUND every big rock /I hope the loop was at least challenging. C

Those top 2 guys are so far ahead of the pack its unreal. Makes setting the course very challenging ,as on the 2nd day it was a stunningly simple day for them yet plenty of riders over 100 . Without the shootout having something to really challenge them it was way too low of scores to win with.