I thought Mots had some decently matching Green to the Vertigo, but when I check I don't see much in green so maybe they sold out with current supply issues? I thought there was one other at least but checking I don't see much so not sure.
Not going to say a thumb throttle will not provide the extra control or not as I wouldn't know having never tried one on a trials bike, but I sure wouldn't expect it to.
When I think of the kind of moves your talking about trying to use the thumb throttle to help with I have to consider the trials training sessions I have attended... At them I was taught to use the clutch to manage the landing of bigger moves like you indicated.
Really not trying to be a nay-Sayer and hop it works for you if you do try...
Good luck, and I am interested in hearing how it goes if you do end up giving it a try.
Why not get a pair of panniers and a top box a la BMW. You could then put all your stuff in them and carry it all around the sections. Don't understand why we don't see more of this sort of thing.
Your last picture in that second post sure looks like what linaway is saying. The levers look low and if that is the case it would defiantly cause throttle issues (whiskey throttle or other throttle control issues) to happen. It seems counter to bring them up and can feel strange when you first do it but its well worth it and will/can make trials riding so much better.
I am always cautious when going past 60-70 to get a tire on. If a good amount of quality tire lube and heating the tire up in the sun first isn't doing the trick I use an air chuck with a clip and then set the tire around a corner and then turn up the regulator tell it sets the bead or hits 100 and stop.
I have only ever had to go up to 100 but have heard some go up to 110 to get one to set. Also, once I started using a high quality tire lube I haven't yet had to go past 80... so far anyway.
Air chuck examples: (mine is like the second one but not the same brand)
I agree with jimmyl that its easier to just pull it all the way out to grease it up or replace parts and is my preference.
I have been able to pull it by putting my bike on a stand, pulling the rear wheel, and then removing everything. It takes a bit of work to do so without loosening anything up or remove anything as there are a few things that get in the way a bit, but more than possible without doing so.
Thanks for the info guys, how easy is it to set a Tacho up to check the idle, I wouldn't say I was a natural mechanic...if you know what I mean 🙃
I am taking a guessing here, but are you talking something like this? https://www.hardlineproducts.com/product/hourtach-meter/ (PS. I have no affiliation with this company, just like the meter and mount as I use them myself)
You will need a slightly longer bolt for the tank/mount but that isn't to hard to find and install instructions are easy to follow as it really is just a matter of wrapping a wire around the spark plug lead and setting the tach/hour meter to the correct setting for 4t engines.
I would tend to agree with Johnny Reggie, the last time I was getting with a stall and a pop I turned up my tickover and it fixed it strait away and the only other thing I have ever done that gets a pop and then stall is me at the end of the day when my finger is getting tired and I am being port with my clutch control and stall it.
Not sure mcman56's comment would apply 100% as the Montesa 260 as its EFI where the Beta 4t runs a carb and has a lower tickover speed...
I suspect its a combination of the state of everything mixed with the fact that its riding season in a lot of places so the people that are posting a lot normally are out riding more... at least that is my hope. (shrug)
If it was me at 7 I would consider the E-Bikes, and would say an OSET would be a good option as they have several size options depending on the kid. If your interested in gas bike I really like the Beta 80's but they are a full clutch so that might not work for 7 depending on the kid. If that is what your after then the Beta Rev 80 Jr might be small enough. Anything smaller than a Beta 80 Jr for Gas bike and they don't seem to bring them into the US so can't say much to it and I don't know to any other options but the Gas Gas Boy (50cc?) that has an auto clutch but I don't know if they still make them.
I have an 07 and a 2017 so here is what I have found. It is not hard to make a 2014-2018 (I think also the 2019?) fender to fit an 07 but you would be able to tell it was modified near the tank. However the 2020+ fenders are different again and from what I can see in the pictures not nearly as easy to work with from what I see.
As for difference the end of the fender is enough smaller on the 2014-2018's that I really prefer the original 07 fender on my 07 over the new type when riding in mud or wet conditions.
I flipped my 2011 4RT (repsol) and cracked the rear mudguard at the rear attach bolts and I’m looking for another mudguard (and decal) but can’t seem to find one.
Any ideas?
is it even possible to order one from Honda ? (Though I’ve no idea what the part number would be- the parts manual I have is 2017 I think)
Yes they ware out in a few ways. Some of them are, that the oil brakes down, the seals ware out, if you loose to much nitrogen it will almost always cause a shock to leak, etc.
My 2 cents, for what its worth, is that If the shock is not serviceable but you like the way the bike rides, and your a tight wad, use it tell you feel it doesn't ride nice and replace it, or ride it tell it would normally be time to rebuild and then replace it with a serviceable shock.
When mine needed service I decided to change it out for a custom setup that is more plush than my original and really like the way the bike rides now but even just a nice lower cost serviceable shock would work great in my opinion.
My wife and daughter both ride and we got a set of the Garne's for my wife and AlpineStars for my daughter (older stile). Between the two my daughter likes the AlpineStars more than my wife likes the Garne's and they both have only slightly wider than average feet and decent arches.
FYI: The current AlpineStars do not have the same foot box as the older type my daughter has but having both a current and older pair for myself the newer boot is a little thinner profile but not a lot.
Hope this helps at least provide a little more information for consideration.
I am about 86 kg (190 lbs) and I can do fine on a 125 for lower to mid level riding but do have to rev it quite a bit to do so and think the 200's are better all around without modification. The 250 I have and have been on are nicer for the low end grunt and for my size something like a Beta 250 with a flywheel weight, black (slow) throttle, and maybe timing retarded 3mm would be my choice over a 125 and you could even go with a low compression head to make it a bit easier to start and mellow it out a bit as well.
Just some extra information for consideration. Good luck!
Hi guys, anyone recommend a decent hour /tachometer for 4rt, to check tickover and hours of use, thanks
Really like this one and this mount. (no affiliation) I had to get a longer tank bolt to make the mount work but really like it at the front like that, feels out of the way, easy to see/check, and the mount has been solid over the last couple years. (use it on my Montesa 300RR.)
The barrings/bushings and bolts, (including shock bushings/barrings) all play into how much movement you have at the rear tire.
When things are loose it will affect trials riding in a number of ways. I would expect that a lack of traction and control for most riders would be the most common problems, however a good number of riders might not even notice the change in grip and steering angle because in most cases it has changed over time and they adapted to it without noticing. I would also expect that unless they went from bad barrings/bushings/bolts/etc. to all new at once most likely wouldn't notice the change and even then some might not. I would guess that the second most affected riding would be hopping the front or rear, though probably more noticed on the rear hops, and as on the grip wouldn't expect it to be something most would notice as it likely changes over time and people often adjust without noticing. I would think the most apparent would be, as baldilocks indicated, on the bigger hits during drops, splats, zap's, etc. as it would make the most nose.
Also, at 10mm I am wondering if your talking sag or slop.
Haven’t ever seen one in real life but in the video I did see with the seat off it might fit a 1 ltr in there but I doubt you could get a 2 ltr under it. If you really want an extra couple of ltr’s or more I think you will need some other solution. Good luck.
Thumb Throttle on a trials bike
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Glad you figured out how to get it setup and got a chance to give it a go. Thank for sharing.