This year I'm riding a 200 Rev-3 2004 model. Photos & more to follow. So far I've had one running in session and a day at the local Group Trial. First impressions are very favourable - super smooth engine and adequate power and, as expected, a bit revvier than the 250. Superb balance with a lighter feel to the handling (than a 250). It was tried by several riders , of varying abilities & ages and all agreed it must be one of the easiest bikes to ride on the market today. So far the only mods I've carried out are to the carburation. It runs the same carb & jetting as the 250/270 and seems to run a little rich off idle. I've tried one size smaller pilot & main - and this seems perfect for winter events.
I also altered the float level as on previous Betas.
"Running in" was completed at the recent Bognor trial. This lap a good blast around a large forestry site and featured several short sharp climbs on the middle route. The 200 romped up these in second and this pilot arrived at the top under smooth control. Definitely feels more controllable than the 250 for me, of course more advanced riders can cope with more power. Right now we're still riding in unseasonably dry conditions - can't wait to try this bike on the wet & muddy courses we normally expect in autumn.
I didn't have long to wait. The rain returned for the Horsham Riders club trial the following week -end. The going was steep clay banks & ditches in woodland all well lubed by constant showers.
I'd been expecting to make excuses for the bike - "you know its only a 200..." and felt that it would prove an ideal tool away from the southern mud, but I was very pleased to find it worked very well in these conditions. Often using second where others were pulling third gear it found good grip. Two or three times a lap I was in third for the bigger climbs and soon I realised you could forget it was 200 cc engine and just ride it like I had the 250. In fact probably the proof of this was section 9 - a series of swift stream crossings & jumps culminating with an abrupt bank that needed attacking with some gusto. The 200 blasted up this every lap in third - to the great surprise of this rider. So no excuses, this 200 will do the job whatever the conditions.
One observation though. I'm sure a young "real expert" rider would try this bike & claim its a little flat and that he'd really had to work it (thrash!) to get his cleans, and he may well be right. It all depends on what level you ride at and what your expectations of trials are. I would reckon only riders aiming at the very top level of centre championships would find this engine lacking. The engine is an absolute gem and is really proof of how far modern two-strokes have come in recent years. Back in 96 I rode & loved the old 340 Gas Gas feeling that 250s of that era were too revvy & the wrong sort of power for our local conditions. Later I switched to a 250 when they improved the torque. Now I'm happy with a 200 (so far....). Small is beautiful. Less is more!
If you'd like to try this 200 - see me at a trial or give me a call, Mike H
Its now getting on for a year of ownership & I'm still impressed with the 200. Its held up well, only required a few parts - one airbox bracket & one exhaust rubber mount. Its gone through several multi day trials in France and Yorkshire with no trouble. Its needed the usual service items: air filter, chain, wheel bearings, tyres, grips etc and benefitted from a change of brake fluid. The only unusual requirement is more frequent repacking of the silencer than the 250. Maybe I'm revving the Rev more.......
In the world of the trial they do not proliferate fabricates of motos indeed, rather on the contrary, in the ultimos years they have disappeared mythical marks since they have been Fantic and Aprilia. Nevertheless, in this occasion we presented/displayed the news to you in our surprising opinion, because in Brazil somebody has had the initiative to construct one moto of trial destined to the inner market.
Evidently one is not, far from it, one moto of first ready level to compete with the European and Japanese manufacturers, is simply one moto very simple but with which trial can be done, the TR200.
Let us think that the idea is very good, because recycle a Deep motor of 4T and reforming a one chassis moto of enduro has been managed to do one moto of trial of low cost. This type of initiatives demonstrates that with imagination and talent one can be made moto of trial and could serve as example so that here in Europe, it cradles of this sport, can start up initiatives of this type.
TR 200 is one moto of trial frabricada by the company Redondo Freios from a Deep motor 125 cc 4 Times, that have been modified until obtaining a cubicaje of 200 cc..
In order to adapt this motor to the exigencies of the trial the race has reformed, diametro of the piston and the clutch. The change of marches is of 5 speeds. The suspensions front and back are of the Showa mark that also have been modified for specific use of trial. The front brake is of disc and the drum buttock. The rest of the components is "made in Brazil" except the neumaticos that are of the Mitas mark.
Transimision has been modified to the maximum to be able to obtain much power to low regime. The chassis is of carbon totally made by Redondo. The deposit of 2.5 liters is of aluminum and is located on the central column of the chassis.
The idea of the constructor has been to project this moto in order to spread to our sport in Brazil by means of one moto totally national, of reduced cost and cheap manutenci
Top trial, Bootle boys! Severity spot on for this southern wobbler. Apart from ................that angled rock at the start of section 10 or so. A few too many swimmers there. Do keep Avalanche in. When it rides right (erm.. thats a three for me, just the one!) it's very satisfying.
Presumeably not an Armac, but interesting all the same. Is this still in action? Snapped at the Reeth in 03. Btw was looking at Mick Grants cub last w/end, very neat & slim , and quite posibly an Armac? There were also some Otter framed cubs there too.
Def one of the best French trials over some serious rockery, super senic route, fuel lorry & lunch grub provided. The bar is ten feet from the last section ends...
I've ridden it twice & have some regs here.
Or contact Moto Club 12
Chez Brice Saint-Pierre
Route de Severac
12150 Lapanouse
France
tel. 062101 5445
Note no email, fax or web for Moto Club 12
Some photos from last years bash can be seen in my photo album
the 3day coming up in march have you riden that? me and my mates ride S2 & S1 in sardent what does the trial offer for these classees and what is the weather like????!!!!
Ridden the Indre 3 day a few times over the years. Last year it was a bit later & weather was good. Can be chilly on the ride out to sections. The off road course is fast & easy , so you don't get warm. Sections are a bit easier than the other French Trials, for each route. Have to say the S1 route still looks scary/impressive to me............I'm on the S3 here & torn between S3 & Rand routes at the other events depending on how bad my memory is or how old I'm feeling..........
Indre uses a petrol tanker & the fuel cost is included in entry fee. There's no real time limit over the one big lap per day, so its a relaxing ride round with time for photos.
All above are better organised than the Creuse trial (IMHO) & the second two have more variety of course & sections. My plan is to get to all of these this year & I may be looking for riding buddies for La Chatre & Aveyron as the usual suspects are either wounded or bikeless.............
Whats The 200 Like?
in Beta
Posted
Last year I ran a 200 Beta & wrote this....
The 200 Report - Small is Beautiful?
This year I'm riding a 200 Rev-3 2004 model. Photos & more to follow. So far I've had one running in session and a day at the local Group Trial. First impressions are very favourable - super smooth engine and adequate power and, as expected, a bit revvier than the 250. Superb balance with a lighter feel to the handling (than a 250). It was tried by several riders , of varying abilities & ages and all agreed it must be one of the easiest bikes to ride on the market today. So far the only mods I've carried out are to the carburation. It runs the same carb & jetting as the 250/270 and seems to run a little rich off idle. I've tried one size smaller pilot & main - and this seems perfect for winter events.
I also altered the float level as on previous Betas.
"Running in" was completed at the recent Bognor trial. This lap a good blast around a large forestry site and featured several short sharp climbs on the middle route. The 200 romped up these in second and this pilot arrived at the top under smooth control. Definitely feels more controllable than the 250 for me, of course more advanced riders can cope with more power. Right now we're still riding in unseasonably dry conditions - can't wait to try this bike on the wet & muddy courses we normally expect in autumn.
I didn't have long to wait. The rain returned for the Horsham Riders club trial the following week -end. The going was steep clay banks & ditches in woodland all well lubed by constant showers.
I'd been expecting to make excuses for the bike - "you know its only a 200..." and felt that it would prove an ideal tool away from the southern mud, but I was very pleased to find it worked very well in these conditions. Often using second where others were pulling third gear it found good grip. Two or three times a lap I was in third for the bigger climbs and soon I realised you could forget it was 200 cc engine and just ride it like I had the 250. In fact probably the proof of this was section 9 - a series of swift stream crossings & jumps culminating with an abrupt bank that needed attacking with some gusto. The 200 blasted up this every lap in third - to the great surprise of this rider. So no excuses, this 200 will do the job whatever the conditions.
One observation though. I'm sure a young "real expert" rider would try this bike & claim its a little flat and that he'd really had to work it (thrash!) to get his cleans, and he may well be right. It all depends on what level you ride at and what your expectations of trials are. I would reckon only riders aiming at the very top level of centre championships would find this engine lacking. The engine is an absolute gem and is really proof of how far modern two-strokes have come in recent years. Back in 96 I rode & loved the old 340 Gas Gas feeling that 250s of that era were too revvy & the wrong sort of power for our local conditions. Later I switched to a 250 when they improved the torque. Now I'm happy with a 200 (so far....). Small is beautiful. Less is more!
If you'd like to try this 200 - see me at a trial or give me a call, Mike H
Its now getting on for a year of ownership & I'm still impressed with the 200. Its held up well, only required a few parts - one airbox bracket & one exhaust rubber mount. Its gone through several multi day trials in France and Yorkshire with no trouble. Its needed the usual service items: air filter, chain, wheel bearings, tyres, grips etc and benefitted from a change of brake fluid. The only unusual requirement is more frequent repacking of the silencer than the 250. Maybe I'm revving the Rev more.......