funtrials

Great post.

It's doing well, but thank Zeus that we are allowed to try to make it even better.

I could see my trials placings possibly sky-rocket if this new rule was implemented. I vote YES. :-)

I see your point. So then why not make the WTC the same way, since beating Bou would be, today, better than even beating Dougie, right? Why deny a rider that possibility? One line for all.

So you advocate that the WTC have the same number of lines as the Scottish, correct? Are you an individual who believes that good things can't be made even better? (I didn't say the Scottish sucks, I just say it can be made better, by giving Dougie more of a points challenge, and giving the least talented rider there more of a chance to not drag his bike throught sections all day. Or should we just have ONE line at the WTC, where Bou gets 0 points, and the least talented rider there drags/crashes his bike around all day - that's not really "riding" - for 100+ points?)

So if you like the DIFFERENT LINES for different skill levels at the WTC, do you agree with me that the Scottish Six Day, which sort of suffers from the same problem, would do better to have TWO (maybe more, but I'm not advocating that) different lines in at least a few select sections, so that Dougie/Dibs/Alex/Brownie, etc. don't clean all 36 sections on any day, while another rider drags his bike though the sections all day for 100 points? It's the same thing, really. Shouldn't we be consistent? Or should the WTC rounds all ride the SAME line?

Are you by chance on the FIM trials rules committee?

A forum member who I respect wrote "It would also allow good european riders to do a few rounds if they wanted ?" So doesn't the Open Class do just that, with out mucking-up the Pro Class?

Or how about make the Open Class ride the Youth Line?

Stop & Hop.....versus Stop & Yawn. I can see that some people don't find stop & hop as exciting. Endurocross, for example, is more exciting than trials, for the spectators, so that's probably the single biggest thing that the new rules have going for them (more "action" for spectators.)

Davis (and Roper too) has gotten SECOND at a recent National....the kids are gettin' good! I admire the effort of all our National riders who rode that world round.

Very valid point. The difference in riding ability (heck, like even in the US Pro class) is stark. Blue line, is that the Youth or Junior line?

Not TC forum members. No, not at all. Just the attitude of the *FIM* seems somewhat fascist to me.

The trials god has spoken, and he says the new FIM rules were to blame for the ridiculously high scores! He should know! So this thread is now SETTLED/FINISHED. Saint Bou himself said, in the Cycle News article on that round, regarding the far-out scores: "with the new rules it's difficult to get it completely correct." From page 37 of the Cycle News June 25 issue's article: http://cyclenews.uberflip.com/t/24308 So we can take the world of FIM officials who, some have argued, are alligned with the corporate interests, or we can take the world of our hero, Saint Bou, who actually rode the event. FYI: page 34-35 of the June 25 issue also has an article on the recent US National weekend! Saint Smage dominated....great job Patrick.

Per day that's what the Scottish Six Day basically works out to for the very best riders, so maybe that's not a bad idea, tim. Now if the Scottish can evolve (to stop/hop) it will be an even better event (it's already a very good event.)

Dabster and Martin Lampkin are both good at, uh, "verbalizing." (In truth, I myself suffer from that, as well, sometimes.)

Cody Webb and Ray Peters rode the OPEN CLASS at the USA world round. Peters was likely the oldest rider that day (still with super-human skills, but not a World Pro rider at all), yet he was able to get through enough sections. That's not a bad solution, do you think (the Open Class)? In the Open Class, apparently riders who are not Youth/Junior aged, and not World Pro level, can still ride a world round.

I applaud the hard work of the trials community, and value the individual contributions. I've seen first hand, in person, the great contribution that, for instance, one poster on this very thread has done (I was very impressed.) No, he's not a Nazi, but I do disagree strongly with the new no-fun rules. He's certainly entitled to his opinion.

As a Secular Humanist I'm (allegedly) destined for hell anyway, they claim, so apparently I will indeed find out. With my luck it will be a Hodaka or a Harley or a Vespa.

That's what our local club has done on a few occasions when all the classes have started at the same time, with some of the same sections. Helps spread it out quite a bit.

I can give you an old TL125 if you'd like, but I am going to LOVE my new shiny 2027 GasGas Alfie Lampkin Factory Replica with it's two-wheel drive, 60 horsepower, 90 pound weight, electric motor, suction-cup tires, computer-controlled traction, voice-activated shifting, etc. I'm going to love making what Bou does today seem like child's play (if the FIM will allow that.) I can do more on my Raga today than I could on my Fantic, when I was much thinner, younger, and stronger. We took the old Fantic on the trails a couple years ago and it STUNK! I believe that in hell there are a bunch of Ariels and TL125's for me to ride. One other example is that "smartphone" type devices will, ok maybe 100 years from now, but it will happen, be implanted in the brain in the womb, and there's nothing that reactionery types can do about it. (We will have to implement a new rule that says that my main trials nemesis can't just shout out "6th gear!" while I'm in a section, however. Oh well.)

Well said! Watching a great rider (none of us here can touch him!) like Alexandre Ferrer look foolish by FAILING TWENTY-SEVEN times(!) in one trial, literally dragging his bike through the sections (like an Endurocross rider) to just get a spider-"three", crashing, etc., is a disgrace. He's a god, and when he's not handcuffed in the sections, he provides a spectacular show. He can hop on his back wheel, in place, trying to make that impossible turn, to set up for that spectacular 8 foot tall ledge. This super man is being saddled with Kryptonite by the new FIM rules. The organizers are going to have to realize that gate receipts are going to dwindle, because the level of riding will now be inferior to what fun-trials delivered. Lower manufacturer profits are sure to follow.

The well-intentioned Spanish organizers likely wanted to provide some incredible rides for the crowd's benefit, but these now handcuffed two-wheeled gods were not able to deliver to the level that the Spanaird organizers were used to under the old, more spectacular, rules. Just like Endurocross riders can't tackle the same incredible obstacles as stop-allowed trials riders can handle, so too can no-stop trials riders not deliver the level of riding that stop-allowed trials riders can deliver. The new rules require a "dumbing down" of the performance level of these trials gods. The fans, the riders, and the sport, all suffer. However, a small cadre of elite corporate types (pulling strings behind the scenes) might laught all the way to the bank, but that's not our main concern.

A time limit puts an end to the all-day dab, as we saw in 2012. Sounds like the sport is going backwards if obstacles were much easier in the past than today! I like progress, not regress. People want to watch the world's best, they don't want to watch, say for example, beginner riders. I yearn for the day when that rock can be made by the average person, because the bikes will hopefully become so incredibly advanced (front wheel drive, electric, better tires, etc.). I think our region's very best rider can likely do more than, say, even world chamption Martin Lampkin could do (in certian sections) because of the great bike technology and better techniques etc. Unless he's handcuffed. You're absolutely right, it's "totally different riding"...inferior riding. Your example clearly shows that. Taking progress backwards, to appease the corporate interest$....not good.

I admire your efforts.