marky g Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 (edited) At our local trial today and I had the chance to check out one of the last 315R monts (white rear guard one), great bike, top quality, and well sorted (as it should be) why the hell did Montesa just stop making it? It seems like they have a fully sorted bike in the 315, the closer I looked the more quality bits and bobs I saw...just seems a waste to just stop making it....any thoughts? Edited January 30, 2005 by Marky G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-shock 250 Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 That's what i thought, imagine if the 4RT had bombed and didn't sell, Montesa would have been totally screwed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cota kid Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 I think that Montesa should have continued with the 315 for a few more years, in much of a the same way as Gas Gas did with the TXT. Giving them time to fully develop the 4RT and giving riders the choice. A 315 Fujigas replica would certainly sold. Mind you it is a brave decision by Montesa and they should be commended for being fully commited in taking on the 2 strokes in the WTC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montesatrials Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 Why not put a 2 stroke in the 4rt frame and give riders the choice ! Montesa would have the best built 2 stroke and at a reduced weight from the 315r and a cracking 4 stroke For the indoor rounds the top men could use 2 strokes and the outdoor they could use 4 strokes Montesa could have it on a plate ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliechitlins Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 I think it was important for Montesa to look like they aren't waffling. As if to say, "This is the bike we are building and we are behind it 100%. We don't need another." They're probably right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky g Posted January 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 imagine if the 4RT had bombed and didn't sell, Montesa would have been totally screwed! There's time for it to bomb yet (Hope it don't). It just seems stupid to stop making such a good machine as the 315,,,fair enough if it hadn't sold very well and it was total crap, but the bike is far from that. The guy at Montesa who made that decision must have some weight on his shoulders by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d. sileo Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 (edited) I loved the 315R, I have owned and rode all years of the 315R from 1997 thru 2004... The bike has won Multiple World Indoor titles and multiple World outdoors titles plus a host of other major trials such as the SSDT etc. I now own a 4RT and am 100% convinced that the 4 stroke is the way to go. ...My 2 cents.......D Edited January 30, 2005 by D. Sileo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 More than anything its got to be down to economics and production methods in Japan. A couple of years ago they sold out for 6 months or so and couldn't make anymore, most likely reason is engine supply. 2 and 4 stroke manufacture would halve (my guess) sales of each, therefore production costs increase maybe by the same. Pretty likely they have one engine manufacture run a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylael Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 After seeing the new 4RT in action (and riding it a bit) I am convinced it is one fine bike! I will own one as soon as Dennis gets tired of the one he's riding and decides to sell it. They are better than I hought they would be. Anyone want to buy a nice 2004 315 R? Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsunt Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 the reason why honda-montesa ceased production of the 315 is because of honda's policy of only producing 4 stroke motorcycles mainly due to the american emmision laws. Yes the 315 was/still is a fantastic bike but the 4rt seems to do everything so much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 errrrr, except sheffield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrsunt Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 ok, maybe not for 1 trial where the riders were not on factory bikes, how would raga and albert have faired on standard bikes? For the majority of riders who have bought the 4rt, their results have improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Cabestany was on a very standard sherco and raga's is a Raga surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuhrc Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Cabestany was on a very standard sherco and raga's is a Raga surely? Doubt that........ Mr. Paxau is hardly going to allow his "PXC" branding on a very standard Sherco....... Even if its the 2004 motor, it isn't standard!! I'm sure somebody will comment on Raga's being a Raga?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulsher Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Did Caby's bike rev as cleanly as the Stock ones, if so he wouldn't have made it up the Big obstacles. None of the top riders bikes are "Stock"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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