I've just spent most of today repairing and tidying what appears to be an early Ty250 Yam based Majesty frame.Stripped threads,missing captive nuts and sawn off rear frame loop.All sorted now,but while I was doing it I noticed quite a difference in the quality of the work on the parts that are modded from the original layout.The welds and brackets for the rear shocks are nicely made and well done for example,but the join at the rear of the toolbox under the top tube is a bit "Orrible".I'm doing it for a mate and I've never really taken much notice of the frames before,(Only the new ones at Telford etc)it got me wondering if its a proper Shirt modified one or a copy.

Is there a way of telling ?

On the frames I've had, the work at the toolbox area was never as neat as the other modified sections of the frame, so seems normal to me.

Unless you know precisely what the rear subframe mods were there is no way of telling visually whether it is a genuine one or not and there is no list of frame numbers for the modified frames. Unlikely that it's not a genuine frame though, due to the work involved in the conversion and that no-one seems to know exactly how the rear subframe was altered.

Can I ask how you fixed the rear loop? Tidied up or added back on?

Cheers

This is the cut/weld under the tank, no doubt this frame is a genuine early one.

And this is the shock mod.

As Woody says the weld under the tank is not as tidy as the others, maybe as it's out of sight ??

Edited January 2, 201214 yr by bo drinker

Thanks Woody and Bo,the one I've repaired looks just like the one in Bo's pictures so I think its fair to assume its a proper one.

G14gav, I bent up a new bit of tube and turned up a pair of sleeves to fit the new rear loop on.Made a new bracket for the rear mudgaurd too.Time comsuming,but has put it back as it should be.

Any chance of a pic? What part of the country are you in? I could do with a loop making and adding on

Or you could just make it like the last Godden model which didn't have a rear loop, just the spars to mount the mudguard. I did this with mine as the loop was damaged and beyong me repairing it. It was easier to just modify it like the last model

I'll try to remember to take some pics tomorrow,as in my sig - I'm near Bath,out in the sticks.

rear view, personal opinion Iknow, but they look a bit neater than the loop to me, unless you want originality

That does look tidier than the loop,the one I have been working on was sort of like that - but one side was longer than the other and at different height.Bit of a mess really,but now it is at least straight enough to bolt a new mudguard on.

Comparing the Majesty frame to one of my standard frames as you say Woody - its not very obvious how the engine was raised in the frame,you can see where its different,but not so easily how it was done.The front downtubes are obvious,but at the back of the engine its not clear.Rear shock mounts are easy enought to see what was done.From what Mick Andrews told me I can see why it was deemed easier to make frames from scratch rather than modify originals.

Be interesting to see the price tags on them at Telford, everything else seems to have taken a pasting lately price wise and a few seem to be sticking around.

Be interesting to see the price tags on them at Telford, everything else seems to have taken a pasting lately price wise and a few seem to be sticking around.

Majesty on Wobblie wills site at the min ..

Remembered to take my camera to work at last....

Pics here; https://picasaweb.google.com/AllyV8/MajestyFrame#5693838855776632434

Be interesting to see the price tags on them at Telford, everything else seems to have taken a pasting lately price wise and a few seem to be sticking around.

You're right there. Bikes in Spain (Bar the odd few) are cheaper too at the moment.

It would be interesting to see pictures of the rest of the frame

Guy