marky g Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Just read the Steve Saunders test on the Sherco 4T in the YOU HAVE USED WORDS OR A PHRASE WHICH ARE NOT PERMITTED ON THIS WEBSITE. PLEASE DELETE YOUR POST/TOPIC. DO NOT TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THE FILTERS IN PLACE ON THIS WEBSITE, he mentioned the old dreaded "pop and die" thing that has affected nearly every fourstroke trials bike (with a carb) that I've been on. Do you get this with the Montesa, with it being fuel injection and all?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Not at 1800 tickover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tordijarres Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Which YOU HAVE USED WORDS OR A PHRASE WHICH ARE NOT PERMITTED ON THIS WEBSITE. PLEASE DELETE YOUR POST/TOPIC. DO NOT TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THE FILTERS IN PLACE ON THIS WEBSITE? Is it TBM (back pages thereof) or Trialsworld? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cota kid Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 I have no intention of switching to a 4 banger but the people I know who are thinking of switching tend to prefer the Montesa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 I got that a few times when I first got the 4T. But since i upped the tickover to around 1200 rpm it hasnt happened since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munch Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 so dabster did mine idle at 1800 revs ,and did it pop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 oh no, the injection has certainly cured the pop and die, the suspension was loverrlly, but why did that sherco get so hot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 (edited) The Sherco's oil sump has been extended so the generator runs in oil to help with the heat generated. 800cc of oil. Theres no doubt it gets hot but it doesnt effect its performance. On a hot day the fan runs around 80% of the time. Just shows that the design is spot on as theres no wasted energy or excess weight being carried in the coolant system. Edited June 27, 2005 by Webmonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jools Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Have you had any problems/worries with overheating Webmonkey? Because they aint gonna develop a bike thats going to over-heat Someone explain to more junior riders what you mean by 'Pop and Die'!? Is it the bikes getting hot and fuel starvation or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 (edited) Well, my experience of Pop and Die is when your riding in gear at low revs (probally tickover), and you open the throttle fast. Depending on where the engine is in its cycle and its load, It either responds or backfires through the carb making a popping noise and the engine cuts out. (A higher tickover cures this most of the time) In relation to overheating, if the fan was running 100% of the time, then I would be worried ! but it doesnt, so this means that the running temperature is in control. Sherco obviously had a problem early on with the prototype thats why they went to a wet ignition system.. Its not the perfect solution but it works Edited June 27, 2005 by Webmonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 (edited) I think time will tell with the Sherco, and feel that in future after its gets an oil pump, so is able to run cooler, will probably be a much better bike. Unless you know something I dont, I dont think they will go with an oil pump.. more cost and more weight with an oil rad needed also. The solution would be to make the current system more efficient. I think Josep Paxau is obsessed with keeping the weight down so Im not sure what he will come up with. ? The obvious way is to increase the rad size and pump flow rates but he may have some other ideas. Edited June 27, 2005 by Webmonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jools Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Fair do's to Sherco, they've given it a really good crack at producing the 4 stroke motor. Honda have soooo much more experience at producing these engines and Sherco have really taken a chance with this bike and despite the odd problem, they've done damn well!! I admire that. they'll get the problems corrected soon. Lots of expert riders may also prefer the bigger bore motor, coz the Sherco has got some grunt!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 (edited) Sherco's idea of extending the oil capacity to help with the cooling only has a limited effect on reducing the heat of the engine, unless like you say, the oil is being pumped and externally cooled. All it does is add more thermal mass but without an obvious place for the heat absorbed to be dispersed, its going to get hot and retain its heat for longer. This is what I experience with it.. Its gets VERY hot. But, whats interesting is that it seems to cope with no problems at all. Their testing ground being in spain must be dam hot so they must of been happy with it to release it for sale. Edited June 27, 2005 by Webmonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky g Posted June 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 With my 125 Scorpa, I changed the oil every fourth trial, a good semi synthetic oil.....overkill??..maybe but oil is cheap compared to a new top end!!. I'd advise you guys to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomant Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 (edited) I've done 4 trials and on my 3rd oil change from running in. It sounds real smooth now I will change the oil now every 4 trials purely for the reason you state. Edited June 27, 2005 by Webmonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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