1985tlr Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) Lets say that honda wil bring out a brand new TLR, how much wil you pay fore it? Like the car manufactory do with the beetle, the mini , the ford GT and others. So its a hype to bring out old models in a new look. I think its an idee, and a commercial good one to bring out a new popular model. Lets say its the TLR, they can sell lots of them. like they did before on her own local markt, what would you like to improve on the bike. Price must be so low as possible to get good salesfigures. My opinion is, chance as les as possible an make it a max. 5000 euro bike. What do you like to chance within this priceclass? Stiffer alu frame. Disk brakes, as you cant ride classics because its a new bike. Make it as light as possible, but stay at the low price. What would i like to keep: *Stereo shocks, because monos have a to long rear swing arm, and thats not good fore the weigthbalance. *Cabelclutch, never had a good hydraulic one on non of my modern bikes. *Position of the footrests must stay the same. *Simple carb, instead of difficult injection. Thats my opinion of my ideel new low budget 4 strioke trialsbike. If Honda would build it again in a road version ( simply to rebuild as a full trials version) and a trialsversion, they have not so muchs development costs, and they can build this cheaper bike. So my question is, what would you pay fore this bike and what would you like to chance at the old concept. And would you buy it? Please post youre opinion Edited April 10, 2006 by 1985tlr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copemech Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 I understand that there is a bloke in England that will build you a NEW Majesty 200 any way you want it! I liked the pics of the Kondy that were posted recently. Wish they would do something with the 200 motor! And at a reasonable price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuessenhigh Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 For me it would HAVE to have a hydraulic clutch, otherwise I wouldnt pay anything for it. Really cant get on with the cable ones..especially the one on my Aprilia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy m Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 There is a bike called a Cotswold built in small numbers using I think a Mini Majesty frame and a Chinese copy of a Honda engine 200cc and there may have been a 250 at last years Malvern show. A nice looking bike, I have not found anything on the net relating to it though. And of course its a twinshock. Maybe someone on here can post a picture. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel dabster Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 There is no market for something like that it will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1985tlr Posted April 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 There is no market for something like that it will never happen I think there is, but they have to build it in a commercial roadversion too. Think of the japanees market and in spain fore a example. If they dont build it, mabey somone else wil. Thats wy i like to know what youre expectations are of a bike like this. Building ore rebuilding is not a problem, but getting a good engine is difficult i think. Someone knows more about a tlr engine build in licence? If Honda never is gonna make a bike like this, maby the chinees ore tai's wil. I know, i am a dreamer, but stil want to know what you want to chance at the original concept. So please post youre vision of a 2007 TLR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian r Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I can't even imagine that Honda would build one but. TLR 200 style, new 230cc engine. Street legal. Correct gearing. Electric start. Good use of alloy to try to get the weight under 200 lbs. Modern geometry. Monoshock. Nigel's right though, a person couldn't use it competitively in a trial I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g4321 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Nigel's right though, a person couldn't use it competitivelyin a trial I'm afraid. A good rider can make any bike competetive in a club trial. A new twinshock would be competetive in a TS trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billr Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) There is a bike called a Cotswold built in small numbers using I think a Mini Majesty frame and a Chinese copy of a Honda engine 200cc and there may have been a 250 at last years Malvern show. A nice looking bike, I have not found anything on the net relating to it though. And of course its a twinshock. Maybe someone on here can post a picture. Thanks. I've been digging around, no photo's but I've got a bit of crappie video (taken with a stills camera). http://www.chelters.me.uk/cotswold1.wmv 734 Kb, runs for 25 seconds Edited April 12, 2006 by BillR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1985tlr Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) I am happy there is someone who feels and think the same as i do. Reading most of youre opinions, i gess there is no market fore it. I like to explain whats my point. I am a low class fundriver without ambitions to be a pro. Lets say i go to the trials shop, i have 5500.- euro in the pocket, ready to spent on a brand new trialsbike. I like 4 stokes,but prices at 6500.-up. I can buy a beta ,sherco ,GG ore a scorpa 1254stoke, and............ Yes there it is a tlr with some modifications ( must be possible fore that price). What would i buy? Yes, youre right. What i mean is they can build a good 4 stroke at a 2 stroke price, but without to much modern technics. So thats the only thing i want to make clear. Edited April 14, 2006 by 1985tlr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 A bike of this type is already in production, Scorpa 125/175. 4-stroke, no hi-tech stuff and perectly capable of winning club routes/events. And before anyone says they haven't enough power, the winner of last year's Air-cooled mono championship rode one - and I've tried that very bike and there is no power increase to the engine. It's just a nicely set up bike. Club routes/sections don't need 280 GasGas power. I can't really see a market for a new twinshock at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) Getting a bit off the original topic now but this is a link to Cotswold Majesty discussion, although I suppose it is at least a Honda copy engine that is in a genuine new old stock mini-Majesty frame. Different wheels/forks can be specified by the buyer which affects cost. They were built to order only although Jon will still build one for anyone that wants one I believe. Price around the Edited April 12, 2006 by Woody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian r Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 G4231, Yep, I knew someone would say that. The rider is competitive but the bike wouldn't really be. Most riders on here would beat me with a TY80, but a Sherco is a more competitive bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essex rider Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I've been digging around, no photo's but I've got a bit of crappie video (taken with a stills camera).http://www.chelters.me.uk/cotswold1.wmv 734 Kb, runs for 25 seconds Do you know who this rider is?? Ive also seen a cotswold with a bsa engine in and it sounded lovely Both the one in the video and the bsa one were at the phil king trial on sunday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billr Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Do you know who this rider is??Ive also seen a cotswold with a bsa engine in and it sounded lovely Both the one in the video and the bsa one were at the phil king trial on sunday! John Bliss from Cheltenham is the rider in the video, I have also seen the BSA in local trials .... in and around Gloucestershire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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