ntino Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago Just got a new Gasgas, coming from a 23 sherco, I had an opportunity of a really good deal on a brand new Gasgas so I want to try that and sell whichever one I like riding less. The gasgas is so much longer than the sherco, the reach seems quite a bit longer. For guys that have ridden a bunch of different trials bikes, you guys find that? How did you adjust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemur Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago Reach implies arm position so height and position of your bars is where you would adjust for reach, a set of taller bars aka 'indoor bars' is a good investment and will fit both bikes, had them on one of 2 rides and it makes a surprising difference in leverage and riding position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konrad Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago I agree with lemur. But in addition, just rotating the bars fore/aft can have a big effect. A set of “bar risers” is also a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntino Posted 5 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 5 hours ago well, I guess I should say that I like having the bars somewhat a bit forward of neutral as it helps with leverage over front end... bar risers and taller bars generally shift the leverage point/. Also 23+ the gasgas comes with pretty tall bars as they triple clamp height and mount is somewhat lower that what you usually see on trials. I should clarify a bit - I guess I was inquiring moreso to the overall impression of others of this 23+ gasgas as compared to other brands - the wheelbase is longer for the bike than a couple of other trials bikes I have been on and by extension the reach is longer - swingarm to pegs seems the same as most trials bikes (about 40cm iirc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konrad Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 25 minutes ago, ntino said: .. the wheelbase is longer for the bike than a couple of other trials bikes I have been on.... How much longer is the wheelbase? EDIT: I just read this in the 2023 TXT owner's manual: Wheelbase 1,320 ± 10 mm (51.97 ± 0.39 in) Edited 4 hours ago by konrad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konrad Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago (edited) I have not yet watched this 50-minute video on trials bike chassis geometry, but at about 4.5 minutes he touches on the 2023 GasGas versus Sherco. https://youtu.be/skK-R6nT4eM After watching as much of this as I can stand (about 30 minutes) I'll throw out the following for your consideration: 1. The analysis is made in real time. I would have preferred it be made off-line and just the findings reported. 2. The analysis assumes perfect scaling of the photos. Although the scaling may be “good”, sometimes you are looking for subtle differences between the bikes. 3. The reviewer is a big guy (250 pounds = 113 kilograms) and I expect this skews his riding impressions. 4. Similarly, the reviewer seems like more a trail rider than a competition rider. I think a better method would be to take the same photos and use a free photogrammetry tool like https://eleif.net/photomeasure That, and a known wheelbase, would allow you to make comparative measurements of various points on the bikes and enter all the data into a spreadsheet. Edited 4 minutes ago by konrad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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