[AMiller]

Would any of you folks that have switched to 4 strokers since 05 consider going back 2 stroke if the price or circumstance was right?

What if anything would make you change back to 2 stroke?

Aaron

[Kinell]

I'm selling my Beta 4T, as I haven't had time to ride it lately and probably won't have for the rest of the year. Would I buy another? Yes, without a doubt.

[thespikeyone]

went straight on to 4t after returning to trials after several years, only ever had 2t before the break.

Would I go back to 2t? No is the answer to that, I find them far to twitchy and snappy, I love the smoothness and managability you get from 4t and they sound awesome and when in a queue the guy behind me doesn't have red raw eyes streaminig with tears, like I tend to have sometimes. (thats normally from my score not just 2 smoke).

[The Addict]

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What if anything would make you change back to 2 stroke?

Cant see me ever swapping back to a 2 stroke price or not, the 4's are great fun to ride

[spud]

i switched back because i didn't like my 4rt. My style of riding did not suit the bike in the wet. It couldn't level hill climbs like a 2t and it could be a pig to start went hot. In the dry it was good and on rocks it was excellent but from the terrain in the south east england i believe a 2t is the better bike. However, if i lived say in Wales i'd be looking to buy another.

[DGShannon]

AMiller, on Jul 25 2008, 01:33 PM, said:

Would any of you folks that have switched to 4 strokers since 05 consider going back 2 stroke if the price or circumstance was right?

What if anything would make you change back to 2 stroke?

Aaron

My 3rd season on 4-strokes, with a new and different (SY175F, SY250F, Rev-4T) bike each year. No, I would not go back to 2-stroke.

[copemech]

All them 4T's !

Damed things are like Black Girls, and cost too much!

You see, if most were not overpowering themselves to begin with on the 2T's, we would not be here!

Alas, we have happy people on less powerful bikes that weigh more! It is a cunnundrum?

[AMiller]

Very Interesting, thanks guys.

Its weird, I have had the opportunity lately to play on everything except a new Sherco 4t. I even had all the bikes at my disposal at the same time along with my 270 Beta. Every time I think the 4t can out do my 270 I hop back on the 270 and have a go only to find out that I can do as good or better on the 270.

I really want to make the switch but I question my reasons.

Aaron

[the observer]

copemech, on Jul 28 2008, 03:38 AM, said:

All them 4T's !

Damed things are like Black Girls, and cost too much!

You see, if most were not overpowering themselves to begin with on the 2T's, we would not be here!

Alas, we have happy people on less powerful bikes that weigh more! It is a cunnundrum?

Cost is due to the exchange rate. Less power? All trials bikes have plenty of power for the averager rider.

My brother is married to a lovely black woman, you should watch your mouth.

2867 posts and not a single one worth reading.

This post has been edited by the observer: 29 July 2008 - 12:23 AM

[motofire]

copemech, on Jul 27 2008, 11:38 PM, said:

You see, if most were not overpowering themselves to begin with on the 2T's, we would not be here!

This is what I was thinking also. I think a lot of people have the mentality, myself included, that theres no replacement for displacement. I bought a sweet Sherco 2.9 and spent a lot of time and a little money making it less powerful. Once I did that it was great.

My next bike is either going to be a 200cc class bike or a Rev 4.

[copemech]

the observer, on Jul 28 2008, 09:16 PM, said:

Cost is due to the exchange rate. Less power? All trials bikes have plenty of power for the averager rider.

My brother is married to a lovely black woman, you should watch your mouth.

2867 posts and not a single one worth reading.

NO sorry! They simply cost more that a 2T! Fact is they typically produce less power per volume than a 2T and weigh more, which is why you see 300 kits for the Beta, a 320 Sherco and soon a 350 Gasser and if you can find a Mont? Mitani can fix you for a price?

I'm just not into 10,000 dollar rock bashers! Sorry to hear about your brother.

[copemech]

Getting back on topic, you see many riders ARE overpowered to begin with, and happy mediums are somewhat few and far between.

The 250 2T's are sweet, yet nobody buys them much over here?

The Beta, Gasser, Sherco and Scorpa are all smooth and powerful 2T's in the 250 range.

Only Beta builds a full 200, while there is a 225 kit now for the Gasser 125/200, all good stuff.

I must state that the 4T Beta, first impression matched the second, great, and reminded me much of my old XR200 Honda. Smooth and tractable, has some GUTS! The Sherco is smooth too, yet much more on tap! It has GONADS! Seems the Scorpa 250 4T is sweet too, but large in frame! A good rider can flick them in no time! The Honda, well it is still the standard pig to which others are compared. Good bike! All said, currently the Sherco is the only one at expert/pro level out of the box!

The telling tale for me was after an exhausting trial on a hot 90f day. I said to my buddy, can I take a spin on the mont? Sure! After coming off a few big drops, well the weight took its final toll on me! Guess you really need to be in better shape to fling about a few more kilos! I was just ready for a beer! Cannot get that difference out of my mind! Just too much! Were talking 10-12 lbs here up top too! I suppose you get used to things, ride what you brung is my motto! If there was a perfect bike, everyone would have one!

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[feetup69]

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All said, currently the Sherco is the only one at expert/pro level out of the box!

Fwiw: Ray Peters in the USA totally smoked the national Expert class on the pre-production beta 4T. .. I own one of the 08 models myself, and while it's soft, if you can't ride it up an expert level object, it's the rider, not the bike. That being said, I'm hoping they make a 300cc standard next year, because I do think a little bit more oomph would make it more fun to ride overall.

[copemech]

feetup69, on Jul 30 2008, 07:12 PM, said:

Fwiw: Ray Peters in the USA totally smoked the national Expert class on the pre-production beta 4T. .. I own one of the 08 models myself, and while it's soft, if you can't ride it up an expert level object, it's the rider, not the bike. That being said, I'm hoping they make a 300cc standard next year, because I do think a little bit more oomph would make it more fun to ride overall.

I think that is a fair statement. The Beta is a fine bike, I do not know if the (what I understand) $1200.00 price tag on a 300 kit is worth it of not? The mellow 250 will perform!

Ray Peters has this thing that he calls a "skill cheat"! As an ex-pro, he has a LOT of skill! Fact is he could probably do the same damage on a good 125! But i see he is having a play with the 300 now as well!


Power, Torque and Quickness all vary, fact is, the total similarity between the 125's and the 4'T's just struck me! YOU MUST REV THEM FIRST for most big stuff! How big? That would be up to you!

The WTC youth are the prime example! It is all mind over matter! And if you don't mind, it don't matter! That 250 will propel you just fine!

[ishy]

If the $3 plastic trophy was the be all and end all of riding trials, I would probably go for Sherco 250 2t has weapon of choice, but I seem to have more fun riding four bangers, and I'm only in the game for fun.