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Where are all the entries????

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So Baldilocks ( Glen ) has put on the NE centre Facebook page that only 3 people rode the conducted adult route today.. 

Probably a lot of time and effort for what seems like rubbish reward. 

 

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not at all, 3 is better than none and if word gets out 3 or more everytime its done is a great start, roll this out at other clubs in other centres and it could stack up?

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7 hours ago, maco said:

So Baldilocks ( Glen ) has put on the NE centre Facebook page that only 3 people rode the conducted adult route today.. 

Probably a lot of time and effort for what seems like rubbish reward. 

 

A lack of time and effort is what's wrong with trials. Riders who expect to win because they bought a bike, clubs never looking for new sections never mind new land. 

Yesterday wasn't a waste of time in my view and it was my time. Numerous key board warriors will talk but rarely turn up. We go three people to have a go. One had ridden a beginner event previously.

With three riders and probably 4-5 attempts at each section it took 2 hours 45 mins I think to do a lap. So more than 5 you will need more instructors. 

The riders all improved during the day. Wayne bought his first trials bike two weeks ago and went home having cleaned a section. Best thing for me was having done a lap they re fuelled and went back to the section none of them had cleaned. David Baker cleaned it in the end.

So I'd say yes it works IF  you have club members prepared to do it and riders prepared to try.

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On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 10:08 PM, rabie said:

i'ld like to spend ages and write a real *long* reply on this whole thread but haven't the time

 

on this point specifically, we've had the ACU build an online entry system and have had it running for four years now - you pay online, secure, and then you turn up on the day verify you are you and sign on and go. as to how you roll this system out to clubs, to get them to use it, that is a challenge but broadly speaking we've built a system to do it all and its ready for clubs to use.

That would mean riders planning in advance (which we all seemed to cope with when entries had to be in a week beforehand) but less likely now.  Then complaining because they didn't get refunded when they couldn't be bothered going on the day due to weather/hard Saturday night etc.

And you wouldn't get the crack in the signing on queue either.

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2 hours ago, davidbaker said:
LONG POST ALERT
 
The original question posed in this thread was ‘where are all the entries?’ -  this gracefully morphed into ‘how to attract new people into the sport?’. 8 pages of opinion later and the good people organising the Seaton Delaval trial decided to take some action and host a conducted trial for adult beginners. Well, I was one of three adult beginners who signed up, all of us rather predictably male, white and hunting down middle age so we may have increased participation but we did nothing for diversity! Perhaps a topic for another day.
 
I will not go over the format of the day as this has already been described in a previous post, I would rather focus on the question in hand and feedback on my experience.
 
The only reason I (and I suspect the other two) attended this particular trial was because it was conducted. This immediately voids any comment around the fact that it was not worth the effort.  Three new riders, each buying a bike, riding gear and a load of new parts to get those bikes up to spec - the person I bought my bike off only sold it in order to buy a new one - show me one thing here which is not a positive. Given that trials is a minority sport I can not imagine it attracting any more than 1 or 2 new riders per month in a region so we should not be disheartened by what could be considered a low number - it is unlikely there are hundreds of people out there sitting on sofas in boots and helmet wishing they could take part. So lets be happy with 3 for now.
 
All of this must be looked at from a beginners point of view, all you long termers can have your say, and constructive suggestions are always good but if you want the answer to a question - ask the people who might have the answer. 
 
A lot of people thinking about getting into trials will be like me, had road bikes for years, maybe had a field bike or two when they were younger so riding the bike has never been a barrier to me entering a trial, the barrier was always not wanting to look like a fool in front of other riders and having watched several trials, the whole thing looked very intimidating.  As a beginner I don’t see trials as a sport, I see it as enjoying riding a motorcycle, a Sunday activity, I don’t care about the points, I don’t want to be competitive (for now).  Having a conducted trial was EXACTLY what I needed, enabling me to feel comfortable and confident in an otherwise unfamiliar and mildly stressful environment.
 
While advertising it as a ‘conducted trial’ may be technically correct, advertising it as something like ‘help and guidance for beginners available’ would be more appropriate so anyone reading the event details knows exactly what they can expect. Ask your Auntie Dot what she understands by ‘a conducted trial’ and I suspect she will not give you the answer you were looking for. If we want to encourage new people into trials we should always try and remove any barriers which prevent people understanding what it is, how it works and how to get involved.  If that means breaking with the odd tradition or accepted norms, so be it. As I alluded to earlier, if you want to know what the barriers are, ask the people to whom there are barriers :)
 
I have already thanked Ray Crinson & Glen Quinn for managing us through the trial on the day and on a local forum, however I would like to do so once again.  And for any other clubs considering similar conducted trials I would say it is important to use people who have the correct temperament to do the conducting.  Both Ray & Glen approached it with a great attitude, calmness and the ability to clearly describe sections / bike inputs etc.
 
The three of us went home with a sense of achievement and I suspect Ray & Glen did the same. I already have several trials penciled into the calendar so it would appear this adult conducted trial experiment was very much worth the effort, for me at least.  It might be that no new people show up but at least the door is open for people to have a look inside and just maybe they will walk through. All clubs should offer adult conducted trials - it’s a no-brainer and cost neutral.
 
Would I suggest changing anything? Nope, all us beginners need is a little bit of structured help - nothing more. And just for reference, the fact I had to fill in a form with an actual pen and hand over £15 in actual money isn’t one of the barriers..…
 
Thank you

You say the only reason you showed up on Sunday was because it was 'conducted'. Can I ask what stopped you going to the Butsfield training day on the Saturday? Slightly different principles, mark sections out with Colin & Micky & ride them until every cleaned them. After this a full trial occurred. 

Was it just not advertised right?

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Butsfield sounded very good and local to me, however I already committed to the Sunday and there was no way the handbrake (puts a stop to everything) was going to let me have two days biking in a weekend. I've got a couple of children to entertain and we had plans. So nothing at all wrong with the way it was advertised, just couldn't make it.

I did spectate at Butsfield a couple of weekends ago and thought some of it a bit much for me but having done the conducted thing yesterday it doesn't feel quite so bad, if the dates work for me next time I'll be there.

I think the next one I can make is Weardale - just enough time to forget everything Ray & Glen told me.

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Nigel Dabster - perhaps you could post exactly what you feel was untrue in my post.

I do not go on facebook so you will have to give fuller details on here of your subsequent post.

To get back on topic. If the decline is to be stemmed there needs to be:

1) More easily accessible practice areas

2) A much better selection of cheap, easy to maintain and reliable entry level motorcycles.

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13 hours ago, maco said:

You say the only reason you showed up on Sunday was because it was 'conducted'. Can I ask what stopped you going to the Butsfield training day on the Saturday? Slightly different principles, mark sections out with Colin & Micky & ride them until every cleaned them. After this a full trial occurred. 

Was it just not advertised right?

 Maco thanks for bringing this up. We had a discussion in this thread and others suggested something to try. Seaton Delaval club had an event coming up at a suitable venue so agreed to try out a conducted adult course.

On the Thursday evening this was publicised via trialscentral calendar,  front page, this thread and Facebook.

By lunchtime on Friday Stanley Club had announced a similar event on the preceding day. Stanley are staging the same event again this week.

More events for beginners is a good thing but why didnt they just run this weekend ? Too many trials in a centre aimed at  the same riders is part of our centres problem with low entries.

Stanley got 19 riders for combined trial and tuition, Seaton Delaval got about 40 for a centre trial including conducted adults and beginners. One trial with 60 entries each weekend would surely have been a better result for both clubs and for the riders who would have met more fellow beginners.

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10 hours ago, dadof2 said:

 

To get back on topic. If the decline is to be stemmed there needs to be:

1) More easily accessible practice areas

2) A much better selection of cheap, easy to maintain and reliable entry level motorcycles.

why will more practice areas be better ? will that give riders some were to ride and NOT go to trials ,as we are trying to get entrys ? as for entry level motorcycles ?at what cost against 2nd hand bike is there a profit in it ?   so if its cost  why do you see some new riders out on factory replicas or new bikes ? DavidBaker  summed the problem  with  new riders  ( trials is a sport so why get a trials bike ) ?

 

18 hours ago, davidbaker said:
 
 
A lot of people thinking about getting into trials will be like me, had road bikes for years, maybe had a field bike or two when they were younger so riding the bike has never been a barrier to me entering a trial, the barrier was always not wanting to look like a fool in front of other riders and having watched several trials, the whole thing looked very intimidating.  As a beginner I don’t see trials as a sport, I see it as enjoying riding a motorcycle, a Sunday activity, I don’t care about the points, I don’t want to be competitive (for now).  Having a conducted trial was EXACTLY what I needed, enabling me to feel comfortable and confident in an otherwise unfamiliar and mildly stressful environment.
 
 
 
Thank you

 but trials is a sport 

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4 hours ago, baldilocks said:

 Maco thanks for bringing this up. We had a discussion in this thread and others suggested something to try. Seaton Delaval club had an event coming up at a suitable venue so agreed to try out a conducted adult course.

On the Thursday evening this was publicised via trialscentral calendar,  front page, this thread and Facebook.

By lunchtime on Friday Stanley Club had announced a similar event on the preceding day. Stanley are staging the same event again this week.

More events for beginners is a good thing but why didnt they just run this weekend ? Too many trials in a centre aimed at  the same riders is part of our centres problem with low entries.

Stanley got 19 riders for combined trial and tuition, Seaton Delaval got about 40 for a centre trial including conducted adults and beginners. One trial with 60 entries each weekend would surely have been a better result for both clubs and for the riders who would have met more fellow beginners.

I'd guess that Stanley decided to run the trial because of the distance people had to travel to get to your Sunday trial. Possibly thinking they would get good numbers. 

I was away for that weekend so couldn't attend either, but with Seaton delevals trial being 70 mile from myself & Butsfield been around 15 mile I would of rode the Saturday & not the Sunday. 

Stanley ran a tuition day one Wednesday night a few month back & had always planned to do more throughout the year because they got a good turn out. Around 15 of us if I remember rightly. 

Like you say, more beginners trials to get people into the sport the better.

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