I am sure you do, but as an example, how many guys do you know who could compete in the BTC never mind the WTC.
Compare that with how many peeps who could compete in the SSDT (or something similar).
In your own words there are loads of people out there that are not capable of riding the WTC or the BTC.....= Small percentage
and there are a few more people that think they are capable of riding the SSDT......... = Bigger percentage
then there's a whole load more that are not capable of any of the above..........= Huge percentage
Now at club level which rules should we adopt?
I do believe that the current discussion is which style is harder, not which rules should be adopted.
Personal Opinion: the Stop Hop, no room room to make a turn, balance then throw self and bike at huge obstacle is harder.
For example: In MOTA events The Lower classes, Novice line and majority of Intermediate lines can be ridden no stop, Majority of upper classes, Advanced and Expert lines require hopping and bopping. therefore stop and hop harder, requires more skill.
As far as rules adopted for mere mortals:
Stop balance, Acceptable. (skill required)
Stop foot down is failure (5) (Your leg is a kickstand)
Need to have a bunch of the Advanced class riders ride the E-cross the day before Metamora..........That way they will all be tired and my over 100 score the next day will seem better.
As a sidebar, I believe the USMTA was created to adress some of the very topics of promotion and commericialism (for lack of a better term, that I believe is what you would like adressed)
Yea sure they are doing a bang up job ain't they Ain't heard much from them.
Stopping and balancing is allowed, It is a skill and shows control of motorcycle
Stopping with foot down is a failure, you are now a kickstand.
OK run all trials with this set of rules.
Sections can be set up so that both styles of riding can be accommodated for all but the top class.
Example for class just below top class. super tight turn.....set it up so that it can be made feet up by "riding the ribbon" but if the exact line is not chosen it can still be made by hopping.
This makes it so that the hoppers can hop and the no stoppers can ride through.
Top class Do your worst to them they are the best if they don't like they can drop a class.
I like to think that my riding style is a mix of "classic no stop" and the "stop and hop" but most I ride with call it CRAP!
If you want to ride a twinshock then ride twinshock only trials. Or ride a modern event in the class that you can safely ride and have fun in.
Here in Michigan we don't have too many choices, all modern but we have some that ride the middle classes on twinshocks and even a gentleman that rides either his OLD BSA or CUB in our novice class, and does quite well.
OK I will give it a go to try and explain the exceedily amature technique that I use. Bear in mind the tallest thing I have splatted is about 3.5 to 4 ft.
good kicker is needed placed on ground same distance as obstacle is tall. (so I am told)
first few times give yourself plenty of run at it. Not so much to build speed as just to feel comfortable,
as you approach the kicker,
rev the engine,
compress the suspension (get down on it)
as you bring your body up, this begins to "spring" the suspension up ---dump the clutch.
The entire time you are doing this look at a point ABOVE the obstacle, do not look at the leading edge of it.
when the rear tire hits the face of the obstacle absorb the impact with your legs, lean forward a tad, and pull in the clutch.
At this point you will either "clean" the splatter and be on top of said obstacle or sitting on the skid pan. Either way you ain't falling back down.
also good to have a catcher just in case you don't make it. And they can give you a hard time if you don't make it.
If there are any more experienced with the splatter that can point out any problems with this explanation, don't be shy.
Sounds like water pump seal just "went bad" it happens.
I use Coolanol in my 2000 2.9, but before that I was using pre-mixed 50/50 auto antifreeze.
never had it overheat with either one so it must do the job. But I switched to the Coolanol based on a friend's recommendation. He made some persuasive arguments. Or I have been "duped" not sure but I am happy anyways.
quick reference to other thread, Yep I had the witch doctor over at my section at 11:59 to put that Hex on it.
OK real posting time,
I am considering trying the Endurocross thing. Well really just thinking about it. Any ways here is my problem.........I don't have an MX bike or Enduro bike, So If I use my Sherco 2.9 and crash and break something (the way I ride high possibility) I am oh so screwed for riding the MOTA event on June 8th.
I do have a 1986 Honda TLR200 Reflex. (with lights) first question, How would this bike fair on the E-Cross course?
Second question, How would I fair riding this bike in the lowest skill level class?
OK so they are as upset about dust as they are about carbon dioxide???????
Ain't dust part of the earth and the earth is what we are trying to save right...........
Maybe somebody should look at the manufacturing industry and reduce emissions from that, heck the government even gives out waivers so that some companies can dump more into the environment.
I am all for reducing emissions in cars, trucks, recreational vehicles. but I am sick of all these Greenies trying to make me out to be the villain when we are only using what is available to us. Vehicle manufacturers need to reduce the emissions generated.
Or I am just an idiot..............well depends on who you ask.
1st: of course infamous ed is being missed... as well as the rest of the MOTA-crew, especially the Team WGASA!
2nd: sob, I want to ride the nice Windsor sections as well... and it's so relaxing, sign up and knowing I'll get a trophy wink.gif
unfortunately I'm packed with events for the next couple of weeks, and then I'd get in trouble for shure if I'd have to steal a bike and then travel across the canadian border with it...
And explain that to customs and border protection: "I have to cross the border 'cause I want to ride an awesome trials event with this ..uh stolen... bike" ph34r.gif shutup.gif rotfl.gif
3rd: biff, no matter if joe's riding adv or Exp, the two of you have fun practicing! And I was able to show you lines, even though I'm riding two classes lower. But due to the lack of steep long downhill sections in MI, you never had the fun of me swearing 5 min in a section that I don't wanna go down there.. I'm afraiiiiid!!!! rolleyes.gif
Aaahh but you have your monogrammed towel to remember us by.
Yep I love it when I sign up and there are only 3 riders in my class, then I can say that my high score is from playing around and not how I really ride.
Don't you remember that crossing the border with Team WGASA is smooth and easy. And of course somebody would loan you a bike for the day, but there is only 1 other Scorpa in MOTA and I think he might be using it that day.
Down hills are easy just point and let gravity take over! You will get to the bottom, hope fully with the rubber side down.
Got word from the "Infamous ED" He should be at the Windsor MOTA event. And he says it is nice to be missed.
Joe has the guts and the skills for Expert class. I think he might want to see how he can place for the year in Advanced before moving up. I understand that type of thinking. I moved up to Advanced only after I got my goal of first for the year in Sportsman.
Hey When we gonna get a post on the next event........Windsor EH?
What are our friends to the North planning for us?
Hopefully the creek is staying shallow and not flooding the entire property.
And of course somebody would loan you a bike for the day, but there is only 1 other Scorpa in MOTA and I think he might be using it that day. 
Stop Or No Stop?
in General Trials Talk
Posted
I do believe that the current discussion is which style is harder, not which rules should be adopted.
Personal Opinion: the Stop Hop, no room room to make a turn, balance then throw self and bike at huge obstacle is harder.
For example: In MOTA events The Lower classes, Novice line and majority of Intermediate lines can be ridden no stop, Majority of upper classes, Advanced and Expert lines require hopping and bopping. therefore stop and hop harder, requires more skill.
As far as rules adopted for mere mortals:
Stop balance, Acceptable. (skill required)
Stop foot down is failure (5) (Your leg is a kickstand)
Just my opinion.