with the changes to the permit system what is the point (other than for information purposes) of listing "non-championship" rounds. as (as i understand it) under the new system most events will be "open" and in effect non-championship nationals unless stated otherwise (eg closed to club, closed to centre, etc ???)
what I'm getting at in a way is there are some events that are on that are now in effect non championship nationals that might need to be listed on a "master list" like this ......
it would also be helpful if *somehow* the non championship rounds could be identified on the main list ... ???
surely the ACU T&E committee only legislate for the nationals (ie events issued on rugby's permits) - its up to the centres (or SACU) what method they use for their championships and then its up to the clubs what they want for their trials.
come on its a democracy and a free country and the continued TSR22 A or B argument is upsetting people --> there is no need to dictate what method is used and for all i care invent TSR 22 C, D, etc if you want to.
At the end of the Day what's the point of dictating and upsetting people ?
sure back the day non stop worked for everyone - then some people got very good and took trials to the next level and hoop skipped and jumped --> if they want to do this, and people want to put on trials for them then why not.
even if we all went non stop, would the FIM change ??? Come on .......
firstly welcome to the south and I'm afraid there are no mountains and very few rocks (if any)
there are lots of clubs about locally and you in a very active trials area
thirdly there are no (legal) trials practise areas about however there are so many events on (of varying degrees of skills) that you don't need to worry about it
IIRC KYTC (http://www.kytc.co.uk/) are running a "Wobbler" on the 30th of October which is really easy and would be the perfect event to find your trials feet (on the pegs of course). all you need is join a club (there are about 50 locally - ranging from a few pounds to my owns somewhat expensive
*some* centres have website, which may have a dates list online
we in the south east haven't really got our act together (my fault) to do such a thing
however we in the south east have teamed up with the southern and south midland and publish a monthly magazine with the regs in. the eastern and south western centres also run a similar magazine
so by default TMX has the most definitive pan UK list but no one person really knows whats on every weekend as lots of events aren't even listed in TMX
ahh - we scrapped that in the ACU some time ago. we (the club) too used to pay the ACU for every member we had, so now you non competing members aren't in any way affiliated to the SACU/ACU at all (i thought this all went when we introduced trials affiliation).
the insurance costs (are as far as i know) the same in the AMCA (its the same insurance company IIRC), and thus the only extra your is paying for the SACU (which must in some way provide services back to you..... -> stewards, legal help, training, pays for your inter centre team, etc, etc) and anything at all you pay the ACU .... ???
HRC - the only bar would be the different Scottish legal system - the AMCA office would have to establish if it legal for them to issue permits, etc for Scotland (the ACU, AMCA, etc are by a story instrument, circa 1992, removed form the road traffic act requirement to notify the police --> but i bet this is only an england & wales act)
i think BDMC explains the ACU vs SACU difference well - and at the end of the day it's up to the SACU members (or members via clubs) to change the system
there's a ferry from birkendhead (Liverpool) to Belfast --> outgoing take 11 hours (overnight ie you can sleep it) but coming back is an 10 / 11 hour wait in the day
so you can do minimal driving route via Liverpool, drive out to stranrar (take ages) or drive up through the republic .........
its varies considerable (we run several events at our own venue) depending on the event
1 centre (regional) championship trial - traditionally 3 to 4 routes with he following classes : experts, inters, novice, youth A, B, C, Twinshock, pre67 A, B, C, D, Sidecars and pre67 sidecars. this year we changed it and ran 10 section of two routes for the experts and inters and another 10 sections of 2 routes for everyone else --> reaction was mixed but its the only event when everyone in the centre is together for everything (except youth C & D championship)
4 evening trials - 4 routes, anyone can enter (ie no classes - everything has turned up from pre67 to youth D, to sidecars to trail bikes), the routes are generally expert, inter, novice, wobbler
1 long distance trail - for trail bikes over 100 miles (sections all over), 5 classes (4 capacity based and a pre67 class) --> this is really a different kettle of fish - mostly trail, road legal enduro and the odd pre67 - one route
1 beginners and wobbler trial - 2 routes and 2 classes- one easier than novice and really easy (trail bike able)
1 sidecar trial - 4 routes and 4 classes - expert, inter, novice and pre67
1 combine trial - 3 routes (normally) and lots of classes - expert, expert B, inter, novice, Twinshock, Pre 67 A,B,C,D and Youth A&B - we'ld do sidecars if they would turn up
1 pre67 trial - 2 routes and 9 classes - A (hard), A (easy), B (hard), B (easy), C, D, E (hard), E (easy), and sidecars
c) gas gas pampera, beta alp, Yamaha serrow, crf230, low number Xl's, etc, etc
trials bikes are far too specialised for any sort of trail riding really, non existent fuel tanks, no seat, etc while the bikes above excel at LDTs without being to enduro styled
i think what everyone is getting at is that Lancaster and morecombe journalism is different form the competition
trialsworld vs TBM
TMX vs rest
DBR vs moto & moto X
the competition is blatantly much better written but L&M still have the sales so get away with it
IMHO Moto & TBM produce the best journalism but if i can get hold of them I'd buy them all so that doesn't give L&M the incentive to improve its journalism (which the arrival of competition has done over the past years)
trialsworld had the potential to be a good little magazine like TBM (that is highly successful, well written, etc, etc) but has IMHO fallen down and just become a TMX extension
just not everyone's got their head around it
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